Public Accounts committee  Good morning, and thank you for the invitation to attend today's meeting to discuss the Auditor General's findings and recommendations regarding the Beyond The Border Action Plan, specifically in relation to the Shiprider program. The shiprider program has evolved since its inception more than a decade ago and is a cornerstone for how the RCMP approaches integrated and binational operations with American law enforcement partners.

Public Accounts committee  Yes.

Public Accounts committee  Yes, I definitely can share that with you. I am new in the chair responsible for federal policing, and being exposed to the performance measures and the metrics that have been developed, I don't think we have it 100% right. It's a bit difficult sometimes to be able to measure the impacts at the end of the day.

Public Accounts committee  We are working in that direction. I can definitely share with you our logic model, and also the performance measurement framework we have developed.

Public Accounts committee  Yes, of course. I have not been in this position for very long. I have looked at the performance indicators and I am not completely satisfied. It is quite difficult to assess their real effectiveness.

Public Accounts committee  Yes.

Public Accounts committee  As I mentioned in my opening remarks, this exercise has been very informative for us as to what Canadians expect of us in terms of being accountable and transparent on what we do with the money invested in these specific projects. Hence, this approach for us, when you ask what type of shift this will provoke in us, is to take this and apply it across all the federal policing programs.

Public Accounts committee  It's the same at our end. There are no changes at all.

Public Accounts committee  No.

Canadian Heritage committee  Thank you, Madam Chair. Good afternoon. Thank you for the opportunity to appear before this committee as part of its study of motion 103. My name is Gilles Michaud. I'm the deputy commissioner of federal policing for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. The RCMP has a long-standing commitment and adherence to bias-free policing.

Canadian Heritage committee  Certainly, ma'am. For charges to be laid, we must establish sufficient evidence to demonstrate motivation and intent. Federal policing's efforts to address ideological violence are not limited to investigation, if and when an individual moves towards acts of terrorism or other sophisticated crimes.

Canadian Heritage committee  That's a very good question. I couldn't answer as to how that would be reported, because it would be left up to the police officer who is responding to the event, depending on what he scores on his report. It could be either way, but I would be venturing into unknown territory to say that it's either/or or both.

Canadian Heritage committee  Basically, the way it works is that we have what we call UCR codes that are utilized, which are based on StatsCan, and they provide us with the definitions by which we report on those statistics.

Canadian Heritage committee  Yes, we do.

Canadian Heritage committee  No, I am not aware of any studies that were conducted to analyze that trend at all.