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Public Accounts committee  Thanks, Mr. Chairman. I don't have a statement or presentation or anything like that. If you'd indulge me, I might make a few opening comments and then we could get right to your questions. The first thing I should get on the record is that as soon as I received your invitatio

June 12th, 2018Committee meeting

Michael Wernick

Public Accounts committee  Thank you for your question. I think there are several elements in there. I'll try not to go on too long. I don't understand the comparison to indigenous policy, and it's an area I worked in. The situation of Canada's indigenous peoples is the result of generations of public

June 12th, 2018Committee meeting

Michael Wernick

Public Accounts committee  I think that the language in the two Auditor General chapters does provide you some advice on that, and there were some specific recommendations. There was clearly a breakdown in information flowing up to the accountable deputy head in that department for a period of time, and

June 12th, 2018Committee meeting

Michael Wernick

Public Accounts committee  The quick answer is that my role is to give the Prime Minister advice on who goes into deputy minister roles and to give the Prime Minister advice on machinery of government, such as how decision-making processes can be organized, the creation of cabinet committees and working gr

June 12th, 2018Committee meeting

Michael Wernick

Public Accounts committee  I'll have to say I have no particular knowledge or expertise of the details of that methodology. I think the deputy minister of Indigenous Services would be the right person to ask. I could probably mess up an answer by venturing one. I would take the opportunity to build on th

June 12th, 2018Committee meeting

Michael Wernick

Public Accounts committee  I'm not sure what their purposes would be.

June 12th, 2018Committee meeting

Michael Wernick

Public Accounts committee  I'm not sure how to answer that question. Schools on reserve are run by the first nations with financial support from the Department of Indigenous Services. They have contribution agreements in which, in exchange for money from the department, they're asked to report on certain d

June 12th, 2018Committee meeting

Michael Wernick

June 12th, 2018Committee meeting

Michael Wernick

Public Accounts committee  It it is an example of a specific issue in a specific department, and we have systems, including the Auditor General and other feedback loops of other officers of Parliament, parliamentary inquiry, and others that bring these issues to the surface. They are detected, they are cor

June 12th, 2018Committee meeting

Michael Wernick

Public Accounts committee  I think government constantly improves over the years. Otherwise, why would I be able to recite that set of statistics that says we have the most effective public service on the planet?

June 12th, 2018Committee meeting

Michael Wernick

Public Accounts committee  Many have and many have not, and one of the roles of the committee—

June 12th, 2018Committee meeting

Michael Wernick

Public Accounts committee  Yes, there were more than 10 Auditor General chapters over the years on that specific department. That specific department was a legal construct based on contribution agreements, and the men and women who went into that department did the best they could with outdated legislation

June 12th, 2018Committee meeting

Michael Wernick

Public Accounts committee  I'm confident they are being taken very seriously by the minister and the officials and that if you ask them back a year from now, they'll be able to report on progress.

June 12th, 2018Committee meeting

Michael Wernick

June 12th, 2018Committee meeting

Michael Wernick

Public Accounts committee  You are asking me if I know about unknown unknowns. One of the things I have trouble with in the Auditor General's language is—

June 12th, 2018Committee meeting

Michael Wernick