Industry committee  Thank you, Mr. Chair and committee members, for the invitation to appear today. We acknowledge that we are in Mi'gma'gi, the traditional territory of the Mi'kmaq people. My name is Donna Bourne-Tyson. I am a university librarian at Dalhousie University and chair of the Council

Industry committee  We are in support of fair dealing, with the additional request that contract overriding not be possible.

Industry committee  I would have to look up that figure and provide it to you later. We spend over $7 million a year on library acquisitions.

Industry committee  Of the $7 million, we spend over 90% on licensed material, mostly through CRKN, the Canadian Research Knowledge Network, and that is primarily the large five publishers—Oxford, Cambridge, Wiley, Springer, and SAGE—and then the remaining 10% we spend on books and small press journ

Industry committee  So those two cases have not proven that there was a—

Industry committee  Yes. At Dalhousie, we have always said that it's a shared responsibility between faculty and administration, and while the university would be the named respondent if there was a court case, we have made it clear that that is a shared responsibility with faculty. Disciplinary pro

Industry committee  I have a few thoughts and then I'm going to involve my colleague from the Nova Scotia Community College here. There's some user-generated content allowed now under fair dealing, but in the case of data mining, it's often not even the content as content that is required, necessa

Industry committee  Yes, that was one of our last two recommendations in our brief about new technological needs, and data mining and text mining should be considered under fair dealing, we believe.

Industry committee  To augment what Lesley said, in addition to what we purchase through the large licences at Dalhousie, for instance, we have the Canadian small press collection. We attempt to purchase everything that is published by a small press in Canada. We purchase two copies of everything to

Industry committee  No. With print materials, if somebody were to take it out of the library and go to another location and scan it, we wouldn't know. Our print circulation, for instance, is declining fairly rapidly. Most students really do want born-digital materials now, in very short snippets,

Industry committee  They don't want to read anything longer than three paragraphs.

Industry committee  What we do is educate to prevent that sort of material, and—

Industry committee  If we had any evidence of this sort of illegal photocopying going on, I think we'd be more concerned. We're finding that, with the transactional licences where we pay for what we use, it's really a more equitable way for us to manage our money. Libraries never have enough money

Industry committee  That was one case in a primary school, not a university. In favour of digital locks, this is why there are TPMs, to prevent some of that reproducing.

Industry committee  Is that a rhetorical question?