Industry committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chair and committee members. I do want to recognize Wanda Noel, who has been the counsel for CMEC on the copyright issue for quite some time. I would like to recognize Andrea John and Chris George, in the audience, who are here in a supportive capacity.

Industry committee  I think there are various incentives that are in place across the country. There are tax incentives. There are grants for creative industries, and there are competitions. I think we need to look at best practices from one jurisdiction to the next. This is something that as minist

Industry committee  I don't know if I would characterize it as savings. It's dollars that we have not been spending in tariffs that we have been directing into—

Industry committee  The tens of millions we based on the $13.31 per textbook tariff that is currently being asked by Access Copyright. That's in response to that particular ask and obviously, as I mentioned, we don't believe that—

Industry committee  If we were to have the mandatory tariff forced on the education systems across the provinces, there would be tens of millions of dollars that would come out of our education system.

Industry committee  That's a difficult question for me to answer as a minister of education.

Industry committee  I'm not going to try to provide information that wouldn't be accurate and speak outside of my expertise, and, Member, I hope you can appreciate that. What I can point to is we recognize there's a whole host of factors that are impacting publishing in particular. The textbook isn

Industry committee  Wanda will help me answer that for you.

Industry committee  Three hundred million dollars.

Industry committee  A change of understanding in fair dealing, we believe, would have a financial impact. In the way fair dealing is defined right now, if you have a short excerpt of materials—

Industry committee  We're defending it because we believe it's fair. The courts have gone through extensive deliberations and decisions to come up with this. It's quite complicated to develop what's fair from an academic learning standpoint, to ensure our students have access to the widest range of

Industry committee  We benefit today from having Wanda Noel, who was actually present during that, who can speak better to the comments of the minister of the time. In terms of the hundreds of millions of dollars of copies that we've seen used— that number—I do think it's important to question where

Industry committee  The numbers we have available are provided to you in your package. I don't know that we can extrapolate Canadian content specifically from those numbers.

Industry committee  If the proposed tariff at $13.31 was imposed nationally, that would be over $50 million.

Industry committee  That does include the territories. That doesn't include Quebec. That is one thing I forgot to mention. I'm here representing the education ministers outside of Quebec, but that does include the territories.