Industry committee  Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. On behalf of Stingray Digital Group Inc., I would like to begin by thanking you for the invitation to participate in the discussions on the review of the Copyright Act, particularly with respect to music, the industry in which Stingray oper

Industry committee  We do not, because all we know is how much we pay in royalties to collective societies or to the rights holders we have agreements with, but after that, in terms of how they allocate it to their members, we have no visibility on that.

Industry committee  I'm not sure I understand. Are we talking about services that would be illegal and not pay the royalty tariffs?

Industry committee  There would be a number of problems from the outset. Where did you get the content? Is it duly authorized? Are you paying the applicable fees? There are many things to consider before launching a music service.

Industry committee  I was asking you the question to know whether we are talking about a service that's illegal or a service that does the right thing.

Industry committee  I would not be able to tell you. I know that there are many people who use music illegally, from different points of view. Our group offers karaoke services, for example. There are so many karaoke companies that are not fully licensed or duly licensed, so we know for a fact tha

Industry committee  In terms of Stingray, we've been only very recently involved with the Copyright Board proceeding. So far it's going well, but our understanding is that the government is also reviewing and might allocate additional resources to the Copyright Board, which will, obviously, help the

Industry committee  Well, we need to keep in mind that Stingray is a little bit different from other services. Most of our services are distributed through third parties such as the BDUs, so it's a little bit different in our case. Most of the streaming we do is made by subscribers to the TV service

Industry committee  Not at all.

Industry committee  Spotify is an on-demand service. Contrary to Spotify, Stingray tries to stay away from on-demand audio, on-demand service. We prefer to use the benefit of the statutory licence, whether it's in Canada or in the U.S. or in most jurisdictions where we distribute the service. The se

Industry committee  We are streaming, but it's not an on-demand streaming service like Spotify.

Industry committee  We believe that copyright, as it is now, works. We understand that the artists are complaining. We do believe that there are solutions that need to be put in place, but we don't believe that those solutions mean reviewing the Copyright Act. Part of the solution is that—and this

Industry committee  Same thing, status quo, in terms of the Copyright Act. We do believe that additional changes need to be made, but they would be outside the Copyright Act review.

Industry committee  It goes to publishers, writers and composers who are the members of CMRRA-SODRAC.

Industry committee  If I may answer your question also. Stingray does business outside of Canada and we've seen in many countries where some of the collectives have merged and represent both performance rights or communication rights and reproduction rights. It does help with the efficiency. I can