International Trade committee  Sorry. You mean reinstating the ones that were lifted this past week?

International Trade committee  That's a question outside of our expertise, and I'll readily admit that. My wife would love to hear me say on the record that I get it wrong and I don't always know the answer. I'll clip and save that for her. Kidding aside, if the government has a plan, I haven't seen it. I think it's really critical that we use the period right now for the government to talk to industry about what the plan is to live with COVID-19 in the endemic phase—if I'm allowed to use that term, as a non-epidemiological expert.

International Trade committee  Absolutely. I think everything we do in the pandemic response should look at the global situation. That's in part, for instance, why we're saying we should be lifting things like vaccine mandates, because other countries have gone in that direction. What's going on globally is going to be important.

International Trade committee  I don't want to sound too philosophical about it. The technology is ultimately a reflection of the policy. I think from our standpoint, we recognize that there will be another wave of COVID at some point, but I couldn't tell you what the plan is right now. We've been asking for a plan and we hope that the government will produce one for how we're going to respond to that, because reverting back to lockdowns and imposing the tools that we used in the earlier waves is not a situation that we'd want to go back to ideally.

International Trade committee  It's hard to have a crystal ball to know for sure how we help them, but I think what we need to make sure of, though, is that there is a plan in place that is durable, because we can't keep flip-flopping around, as we've seen.

International Trade committee  Absolutely.

International Trade committee  That would be correct.

International Trade committee  That seems to be what the Public Health Agency tells me about reducing the adverse medical outcomes, hospitalization, etc.

International Trade committee  Not everyone was uniformly happy about the mandates being imposed in the business community, but certainly it was a boost of confidence for a lot of folks. I think, though, given where we are now in the pandemic, the attitude within the business community has certainly changed about how to apply vaccine mandates.

International Trade committee  Yes.

International Trade committee  I think that because the vaccine mandate only applies to outbound travel and you're not using ArriveCAN for outbound travel, in that sense it's been slightly decoupled, based on the announcement that was made this week. The caveat I would give, though, is that because unvaccinated individuals are now going to be able to travel, they have to come back into Canada.

International Trade committee  We've been talking to the government throughout about all of the various travel measures. We haven't done a major push, in traditional advocacy terms, on the ArriveCAN app, but we've certainly been having our views well stated on the public record. I don't think that where we are will come as a surprise to anyone.

International Trade committee  I think that, whatever we do for land, we probably should do for air, as well. If I look back, where we've had a lot of member complaints—since the start of the pandemic—is in the diffuse rules that exist among different modes of travel. Whatever we do needs to be consistently applied.

International Trade committee  Chair and honourable members, thank you for having me back again to this committee. It is a pleasure to be here in person to do this for the first time in quite some time. Also, it's a very welcome thing from the chamber's standpoint to have this study being done as the travel season begins to ramp up for the summer.

Finance committee  There are a couple of different things that most readily come to mind. Certainly I would be happy to send more information to the member in writing afterwards. One, for instance, as everyone is going to be going out at some point in the coming years to think about electric vehicle purchases, is that we're still at a relatively small market share right now.