Fisheries committee  Certainly my experience is that Foreign Affairs pays more lip service than dedication to the issue. I've been in embassies and consulates throughout western Europe. As a matter fact, I've even been in some in the Middle East, and believe it or not, it comes up out there. I wrote an editorial in 7Days, which is a Dubai magazine, after a four-page spread on Canadian sealing--in Dubai, in the United Arab Emirates.

Fisheries committee  Yes.

Fisheries committee  Frank Moores felt very strongly about the issue and wanted to do something about it. He put together a group of people, which consisted of members of his cabinet, some experts from the biological veterinarian side, and some sealers, and they travelled to Europe to convince Europeans, and to America as well.

Fisheries committee  Since about 1978-79.

Fisheries committee  Thank you, sir. I'm making a presentation on behalf of the Fur Institute of Canada. The executive director, Rob Cahill, and the chairman of the sealing committee of the Fur Institute of Canada asked me to make this presentation. For those of you who aren't aware, the Fur Institute of Canada constitutes 168 members.

Fisheries committee  Sorry about that; it's a habit from where I grew up. We have a research institute in Alberta that does a lot of work on the humaneness of the various killing techniques used throughout the world. It's the world's leading research institute on this, particularly on leghold trap issues.

Fisheries committee  I'm employed by the Fur Institute of Canada and they have given me a presentation that they would like me to give as written.

Fisheries committee  That presents a small problem for me, as your clerical people have taken my presentation to duplicate. Maybe I could pass until I get it back.