Public Accounts committee  I don't know. I think it was—what was it?—450 pages, I understand.

Public Accounts committee  That's correct.

Public Accounts committee  No, we're not. Again, you're getting my perspective as the deputy minister. They were working in the minister's office; I'm just commenting on what I saw. But it was a very extensive project, there's no question.

Public Accounts committee  No, it was a multi-billion-dollar project.

Public Accounts committee  Around $200 billion; it was $217 billion.

Public Accounts committee  Yes, it does, but I would also say, based on our own personal experience in the department's contract with Hugh MacPhie, which was less than $25,000 for the work he did on Advantage Canada, that we got extraordinarily good value for money on that.

Public Accounts committee  They did not write the budget. They helped edit it and fine-tune it. But yes, overall, it was excellent value for money. Again, that's something that, from what I can see, isn't part of the department. So I think the minister and his office have to better demonstrate that. But I

Public Accounts committee  The amounts were not unusual. I'm told it was 820 hours—thank you. The only discomfort I'm having is that these people do not report to me or to my executive team in putting this work together. They report to the chief of staff and to the minister and his team. I have every

Public Accounts committee  It was 820 hours.

Public Accounts committee  Yes. You had said 800 hours.

Public Accounts committee  There was one other individual. I can't remember his name. I think it was part of that contract. Again, the minister's office would have that information. I can get it for you.

Public Accounts committee  Correct.

Public Accounts committee  I don't know the exact period, but I believe it was February until the end of March.

Public Accounts committee  It was very expensive.

Public Accounts committee  Again, the contract was amended, as it can be amended, later in the game, and we executed the contract. I did not, as I said earlier to your colleagues, raise an alarm on this issue and the cost of it.