Canadian Heritage committee  I definitely think more money should be invested in the CBC. When I was in England--that's more than half my life ago--we were contributing by a licence. We had a radio licence and a TV licence, and anybody who had a machine had to pay. It maintained the quality of the programming, it seemed to me.

Canadian Heritage committee  I just wanted to know, did Mr. Shaw withdraw his contribution to the CTF before or after his remarks to you?

Canadian Heritage committee  Yes, thank you.

Canadian Heritage committee  Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In comparison with what I've heard today—and I've been here all day—which has been quite in depth, my presentation is very basic, straightforward. I hope you'll bear with me. I have a British heritage. In 1965 I had the opportunity to apply to Canada for landed immigrant status and was privileged to be granted full Canadian citizenship in 1971.