Public Accounts committee  Yes, it was. And as I said, please go and ask Paul Roy. You've asked him; you've asked the chief of the Ottawa Police Service. You have my word on it, and you have their words on it. That's all I can tell you. You're trying to create something that isn't there, I'm sorry.

Public Accounts committee  No, it was Barb George who asked me, and then I took it to Deputy Commissioner Loeppky, who was my line officer.

Public Accounts committee  Excuse me, if I may respond, that is totally incorrect. As I said, if you would like, call in Paul Roy again and question him if there was any involvement whatsoever of my controlling that investigation. And that's the first time we've even heard that allegation, that this was

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Williams, I didn't restrict any investigation. The restrictions were controlled by Paul Roy as to when the investigation ended and where it was going, not by me.

Public Accounts committee  No, no one.

Public Accounts committee  No, any discussions that I had with regard to the investigation were with Paul Roy. Paul Roy had the final shot, or called the shots on the investigation, not me, and you've had Paul Roy here to testify to that, and also the chief of Ottawa Police Service.

Public Accounts committee  As a matter of fact I had, and because you've asked me that question, at least I think I deserve the time to respond to it. I'll keep it as short as I can. I provided a study book. I didn't realize there were questions from two years prior in that study book. There was nothing

Public Accounts committee  Tim Killam did. Barb George had nothing to do with it. It went to Tim Killam. He said he would not accept my resignation.

Public Accounts committee  Who?

Public Accounts committee  About a year and a half after, I think.

Public Accounts committee  No, absolutely not. From Tim Killam it went to Deputy Loeppky. Deputy Loeppky said that he wanted me to reconsider, and then another incident happened. It was an operational issue. My wife at that time said she did not want me going, because she felt that I wasn't ready to go bec

Public Accounts committee  Yes, but that was done by Commissioner Zaccardelli, not Barb George.

Public Accounts committee  I assume, as every member of SEC would have supported it, yes, but it was the commissioner's decision on who he made...within the senior executive of the organization.

Public Accounts committee  On the pension.

Public Accounts committee  That wasn't part of the original investigation. The investigation was to deal with the pension fund, not insurance for outsourcing. If an issue comes up, then you need another team to start that investigation. You just can't carry on with the same team forever and a day. We had a