Public Accounts committee  I can speak only for myself. The only names I've named are people who were sitting at the table with me. I've made a point not to, because these names are linked to the investigation, whereas others, to my observation, came out in speaking of other things—“he said, she said”, as opposed to “we investigated and found that this person did that”.

Public Accounts committee  I'm an investigator. I came across this information as part of the criminal investigation. That's the big difference. I'm under different rules. I'm under a sworn oath that what I find during a criminal investigation I don't divulge. That's well past the Privacy Act; it's part of my oath.

Public Accounts committee  There are a number of e-mails between parties. The content isn't protected. The people are protected just to defer to counsel. It's been announced publicly that this is a criminal investigation. I'm just worried about some of these folks who aren't part of the RCMP and haven't been named in this forum before.

Public Accounts committee  They have the meeting, and Great-West Life is told by NCPC, “Keep it quiet that you're not going to do the administration. You guys should go see Morneau Sobeco. You just got them as a pension outsourcer. They're going to do the pension administration, and I'm sure they can do your insurance administration at the same time.”

Public Accounts committee  I'm in a bit of a bad spot. That was the idea of having the books in front of you. It was a police investigation, but because this is a public forum it's something for which I could give the names in camera, but these are people who were subject to a criminal investigation.

Public Accounts committee  When it's tabled, it's just to the committee members.

Public Accounts committee  I was given a letter explaining the ATIP process, and I think this would fall under that. I would defer to my senior officers here to give me some guidance.

Public Accounts committee  No.

Public Accounts committee  This will be a little more challenging, but I think we can do it. What I'm going to talk about today is the insurance investigation that took place. As has been previously stated, the police investigation into the pension funds was broken into different streams. I was responsible for the contracting and the insurance streams.

Public Accounts committee  Just for the record, most of what's in the binder are excerpts from criminal investigation. We received permission only yesterday to make copies for you, so translation was an impossibility. It certainly wasn't because we wanted to show disrespect—

Public Accounts committee  I was given access to the information for my presentation; there was no problem at all. But getting you copies of it took a little longer.

Public Accounts committee  I, Mike Frizzell, do swear that the evidence I'm about to give shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God.

Public Accounts committee  In Mr. Roy's e-mail to Ms. George, he said: “The audit shows the money was taken. It should have been paid back.” The e-mail reply he got back said: “No, it wasn't paid back. We just took another $542,000.”

Public Accounts committee  They would definitely have to be spoken to; they have information.

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Roy sent me the information I was acting upon, so....