Canadian Heritage committee  Well, let's just deal with suing fans. That is over. And--I might point out--in Canada we never sued a fan. Not that we.... No, please, Charlie, let me finish. Not that we ever got a single iota of credit for that.

Canadian Heritage committee  No--

Canadian Heritage committee  What we have to do is we have to take down the bad actors.

Canadian Heritage committee  Darlene wants to add something.

Canadian Heritage committee  We're actually not against artists getting compensated by levies, but what I'll say about the levy is this: our goal is to establish—and I think that should become apparent from this—a thriving, legitimate digital music market in Canada in which everybody can be fairly compensate

Canadian Heritage committee  I think--if I understood it--there's the principle that music's not free, the principle that we need to encourage more opportunities, so create more new avenues. It's not just enough to create; we have to be worried about diffusion and how to get our artists' voices out in more a

Canadian Heritage committee  Well, I think we have to be provided with a framework. And I think that's what the panellists were saying, that a rules-based framework will help us to build a legitimate digital marketplace.

Canadian Heritage committee  I might not have understood that question.

Canadian Heritage committee  One solution? Perhaps I'm not expressing myself well enough, but I think the best solution is to implement a set of laws or rules that will provide an environment that will encourage creation and investment. That's what the intellectual property organizations' treaties were des

Canadian Heritage committee  I believe it starts with a very simple, straightforward baseline. We have to draw a little box around what's legal and what's illegal and send clear messages to the people of Canada about what's right and what's wrong. I've always said about the people of Canada that I think we

Canadian Heritage committee  Go ahead, please, Charlie.

Canadian Heritage committee  Yes. Just before I turn to Charlie, one thing I will say is this: Does that make a difference? It absolutely makes a difference. I was just looking at some statistics that are about to be published by the IFPI, which show that there's a return to growth in the music markets in

Canadian Heritage committee  Mr. Chairman, I'd like to conclude for our panel with the words of K'naan, who is one of, I think, our musical heroes, perhaps one of the world's musical heroes right now. I don't know if you saw that stirring performance of Wavin' Flag on the Junos, but I know it made the hair s

Canadian Heritage committee  I am Graham Henderson, and I would like to introduce Darlene Gilliland, who is the director of business development for Universal Music Canada. Beside her is Charlie Millar, the director of digital business development for Warner Music. Beside him is Loreena McKennitt, who I am s

Industry committee  My feeling is that we should implement the recommendations. That's very important. From there on, it becomes a question of working with industry and stakeholders to implement and roll out the legislation and make it have effect. I don't believe--and I think this is what Mr. Lipku