Human Resources committee  Okay, I'm sorry. I'm animated. I'm excited about this.

Human Resources committee  This is not a position of the City of Toronto, but I know there are those who are suggesting that you defer a year and undertake the mandatory—

Human Resources committee  —long-form census in 2012.

Human Resources committee  There is not a plan B, because we do not have the capacity to replace the reliable information that we get from the long-form census. I was cut off twice before, so if I could, I would answer the previous questioner on whether or not I believed the chief statistician, who said “

Human Resources committee  It's a civic duty, just like voting and other contributions we make as a society. But I did just want to add, if I might, a previous--

Human Resources committee  Let me answer the question. Is it important to know when people go to work? Absolutely. We need to understand what the demands are on our transportation capacity, both roads and public transit, and we need to know where people are going and what time of the day they're going. Ho

Human Resources committee  Jury duty is another example.

Human Resources committee  I would just add that Statistics Canada itself has modelled the non-response bias that's likely to occur in three sample municipalities, one of them being Toronto. Very clearly, the modelling that Statistics Canada has done shows that there will be significant bias in particular

Human Resources committee  Let's put aside the fines and imprisonment, because I do think they are a red herring.

Human Resources committee  So, yes, if it would mean that the government would proceed with the long-form mandatory census, this would—

Human Resources committee  If you would let me answer—

Human Resources committee  I'm saying, yes, if the government proceeded with the long-form mandatory census. I know that—

Human Resources committee  I think the sanctions are certainly something you can address, if that's the stumbling block.

Human Resources committee  If the government proceeded with the long-form census and these provisions were changed, then of course I would support it.

Human Resources committee  I personally don't have a number that I would pick out of the air, but obviously the sanctions are symbolic, in any event, because they have not been exercised. The City of Toronto has not taken a position on this particular matter, but personally, if the sanctions were reduced