Public Accounts committee  I was provided information from somebody who works in NCPC that the first estimates that came out of Public Works were over $70 million. And that's just recently.

Public Accounts committee  The advice they gave me, yes, sir.

Public Accounts committee  I didn't say I wasn't responsible; I took them at their word. Another important thing to note is that I've been told since that the organization now has five different people doing what I was expected to do as one person. So you had to trust that people were doing their job, si

Public Accounts committee  I have been, sir.

Public Accounts committee  He was on the pension advisory committee. He was not on the insurance advisory committee. That's where I was a resource that would bring information to that committee, yes, sir.

Public Accounts committee  I've always maintained that I've never colluded with anyone. We had dealt with CAC with my representative, Mr. Koziol. He was told the rules to follow; I understood that he followed those rules. That's really my only involvement with CAC, other than the odd e-mail where I said

Public Accounts committee  It's important to say, because I've been called all sorts of names here. In order to get employment at that job, all persons must take and pass a polygraph test, which I've done. Staff Sergeant Frizzell asked me to take a polygraph during the investigation, and I said that I wo

Public Accounts committee  There are two things to look at. One is that I've probably lost over $1 million in salary and benefits, so I have been held responsible for things. The second thing is-—

Public Accounts committee  It was my hope that we had done that, yes, sir.

Public Accounts committee  From the insurance perspective for pensioners, yes. From the insurance perspective for members, it was information.

Public Accounts committee  I can't believe it was a rubber-stamp committee with a chief financial officer and a chief human resource officer and senior members of the force. We went to great pains. Mr. Molson was there, who walked through every Treasury Board submission, line item by line item, explaining

Public Accounts committee  He would have been part of the committee that would have accepted or not accepted the process moving forward, on the pension committee.

Public Accounts committee  No. I had heard of his reputation, and I don't believe I've actually met him. If I have, I don't recall for what reason.

Public Accounts committee  And he was paid.

Public Accounts committee  I'm aware of it, but I've never seen it.