Public Accounts committee  I, Dominic Crupi, do swear that the evidence I shall give on this examination shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God.

Public Accounts committee  For what?

Public Accounts committee  I think “direct” is a strong word. It was identified to me by Great-West Life. Great-West Life said they could use Morneau Sobeco because they felt bad about not being able to fulfill their obligation. I told them it was up to them and I didn't care who their subcontractors were.

Public Accounts committee  They gave me advice, and they gave advice to the insurance committee. They advised the insurance committee on how to make investments. They were key players.

Public Accounts committee  Well, I think there are two parts to it. First of all, it was Great-West Life who came to us and said they felt bad that they couldn't do their obligations and that they would have no problem going to a subcontractor. From my recollection, it was never us who brought that up; i

Public Accounts committee  Correct.

Public Accounts committee  I'd never met Abotech and never heard of Abotech--ever. The first I heard about it was when somebody suggested that they were getting a contract. Mike Onischuk was hired to write statements of work because Mr. Koziol was too busy to do them all.

Public Accounts committee  Sir, I was the director. I hired people who I felt were competent to do things in expertises that I did not have, and I've said that a number of times. I'm not a procurement expert. I'm not a financial expert. I am not a staffing expert. So I hired people to do that, and that's w

Public Accounts committee  His officers signed every procurement contract. I do not sign procurement contracts. His officers do. All I signed was a statement stating, yes, this is the work that needs to be done; as a payroll pension expert, yes, we need to write the requirements for this. It was described.

Public Accounts committee  You've described a whole series of things.

Public Accounts committee  I never signed off procurement contracts. I was the person responsible for the.... Persons wrote statements of work. I read the statements of work. They seemed like valid pieces of work to be done. I would sign off that, yes, that was a good piece of work to be done. The procur

Public Accounts committee  I had 25 years at Public Works.

Public Accounts committee  I evaluated nothing from CAC. CAC did all the evaluations. The only time I did an evaluation was on the original standing offer, when there were about seven or eight of us who evaluated bidders who were put on a list of qualified bidders.

Public Accounts committee  I had a relationship with probably 50 or 60 contractors over 25 years. So if Mercer's had applied or Watson Wyatt had applied or KPMG had applied or IBM had applied, I could answer yes to that question--relationships meaning work relationships—yes, ma'am.

Public Accounts committee  Can I make a very quick statement?