Public Accounts committee  I can't speak for what was on Mr. Roy's mind, but I would have anticipated that if it were brought to his attention, he would have raised with his chain of command--and that would have been the Ottawa Police Service--the fact of the issue having been raised with him.

Public Accounts committee  I think you have to understand what the circumstances were around his secondment. Ultimately it would be the chief's decision.

Public Accounts committee  I think certainly the perception could be that he should have been removed, but if they had confidence in his independence to do that investigation, then that's a decision they would make on their own.

Public Accounts committee  I haven't had the benefit of reading the KPMG report, so I can't give you a comprehensive answer. What I can say is that there was an internal audit, there was a criminal investigation, there was an internal investigation, followed by the Auditor General. I would expect that amon

Public Accounts committee  No.

Public Accounts committee  I would have discussed the potential for conflict with Chief Bevan.

Public Accounts committee  When I spoke to Chief Bevan on March 8, my only direction was that Assistant Commissioner Dave Gork would be the logistics coordinator from an RCMP perspective. Chief Bevan's comment was that he and Sue—I presume that was Deputy Chief Sue O'Sullivan—would be meeting with Dave to

Public Accounts committee  You'd need to consider all the options, and one of the options.... For example, when an OPP investigation was done that I ordered, probably in about 2001, the OPP led that investigation, but we paid all the accommodation expenses, all of the salaries. So you'd have to ask yoursel

Public Accounts committee  I think in hindsight, perhaps if we had a better balance of officers doing the investigation--a better balance.

Public Accounts committee  Clearly, I think you need to have an assurance that there is no conflict and no perception of conflict, as there could be in this case, with Inspector Roy having worked at the RCMP before. With respect to the location, I think if the proper accountability and reporting structure

Public Accounts committee  Let me respond to, I think, two questions that you asked. The first question is whether I was aware that Inspector Roy had been seconded to the RCMP earlier on in his career. Is that correct, sir?

Public Accounts committee  I was not aware of that until I read the transcript of the proceedings where it was disclosed earlier, several meeting ago. That's the response to the first one. With respect to the second one, the independence of the investigation, when I contacted Chief Vince Bevan on March 8,

Public Accounts committee  Well, if I can continue, during the investigation, Chief Bevan and I spoke about it several times. In October, we did kind of a check to see how was it going. Is there a conflict? Are there issues? He called me back on October 14 and said no, things were running fine, but they wo

Public Accounts committee  I did not see the report, nor was I present when it was tabled to the senior executive, so I have never seen the report that was done by the Ottawa Police Service. I can only go by the comments of Chief Bevan, who I believe appeared here and was confident that the investigation w

Public Accounts committee  Absolutely. We met in my office for probably 20 to 30 minutes. We did not get into the complexities of the investigation. That was not my role. I was there to try to speak with him with respect to the conflict that was obviously taking place. I talked about why we had an indepe