Industry committee  At CSA, we always have the education about that out to consumers, manufacturers, industry, and retailers. CACN also has a group that does education. There's always more you can do. We have a poster campaign to educate people, and we're getting cooperation from transit authoritie

Industry committee  I'm certainly aware there's a number of techniques they use. I think what you're referring to are the RFID chips they're putting into products so they can do the traceability from the factory through the distribution network. That's certainly one of the applications. There are

Industry committee  To that point, certainly I think we want to go after that. I think the counterfeiting is so lucrative that if you just hit piecemeal at it, you'll never make it unviable for him. It's a difficult thing. I think we need a multilateral attack on these things. We outlined items i

Industry committee  No, not at all. We're out there doing the work as well--

Industry committee  Well, personally...we're out there. We're not even a manufacturer of the product and we're working to help in that area. I think it's a collaborative effort. I think it's private industry; I think it's distributors. I think government has a role. I think everyone has a role. Cons

Industry committee  It's one of the areas of access, but flea markets are also....

Industry committee  Yes, if we're talking about a legitimate product, we can trace it back, and usually there are ways to do it. For a counterfeit product, those markings will indicate that it was made at a factory that it wasn't made at. So I'm not sure you can get back to that. There are some tec

Industry committee  It's an interesting concept, something we should look at. But as Mr. MacInnis has said, I can give you counterfeit documentation. That's what we're seeing as well. The other thing is, for a lot of these products, catching that in the timeframe in which the products come across,

Industry committee  If I may comment on it, I'd like to say in alignment with that—and CACN feels this way—that there is a lot that we have to do ourselves. One of the arguments I get from China is that Canada is no better. It's an embarrassment to go there, with the legislation and the porous act

Industry committee  My experience is that it involves primarily developing countries where they don't have an infrastructure for intellectual property rights and there's a big demand for hard currency. That's certainly where we see it proliferating, and in the globalization of manufacturing and dist

Industry committee  Certainly, and we saw it counterfeiting with the watches and things like that in Taiwan in the 1970s on a smaller scale. The big concern with China is its size and the potential volume for this activity. In addition to that, from a counterfeiting perspective, it's coming on at th

Industry committee  I'm not a lawyer, so--

Industry committee  It doesn't seem to be on the high end of priorities, certainly not the penalties. Anything that's a fine for that seems to be just the cost of doing business. Perhaps Mr. MacInnis would add more.

Industry committee  With respect to counterfeiting, we have found everything. When you think about it, it is so lucrative to use counterfeits. You're not paying taxes; you're not paying for design. You're not doing any of these things. It's pure profit, other than the assembly. Certainly, we see tha

Industry committee  They want to look at their channel, their network. Sometimes they can go into the factory and look at the capability of that factory. If they can produce 10,000 a week and you're ordering 400,000 and you're getting that in a month, you know something doesn't line up. For consume