Citizenship and Immigration committee  Thank you.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Thank you very much.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  That's my fundamental conviction.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I'll come in as an expert, not as a former chair.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  In the four and a half years, never. They always worked from the qualified list.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Again, I think you're hitting on something very important. After all, it's not about the public service bureaucracy and me; this is about making decisions that are fair for individuals who are waiting on the determination of their lives. That's what we're all about. If you lose sight of that, this is bureaucratic.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I'm glad you raised this. Remember, I was the one who selected all of the people on that panel. Other than general terms of references that are all available to everyone, we didn't really have a way of working together, as to how we would work and so on. I was of the view that the panel should not be chaired by me, because it was too much power in one role.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Mr. Chair, may I—? I didn't answer his question; I went too far in explaining.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I knew there was displeasure toward the end. They had seen a version of the Harrison report. I purposely went out of the room to let them deliberate. I did not take part in any drafting of letters. I found out from Madame Plante that they were going to resign. So their conduct was independent of me.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I think the analysis of how they saw their role is well reflected.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I don't know. I'm not using those words, and I did not have a difference of opinion with any minister.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes. There again, Mr. Sandhu was chosen through a selection process conducted by the minister, Privy Council Office, and PMO. I was on that board. You're mentioning something, and I'm glad I never made the distinction. I have no problem, for my selection and the selection of the vice-president, that the minister's office and the Prime Minister's Office are the ones on the board; I don't call that politicizing.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes, I was.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  It wasn't like that.