Fisheries committee  Thank you very much for the question. As our deputy expressed the last time we were here, he was open to considering the addition of small craft harbours to this list, so the point I would want to emphasize is it's not that small craft harbours isn't considered an essential prog

Fisheries committee  I think any effort to raise the visibility of a program in this context would be a good thing, but to be honest, I don't think listing it as a priority would influence Treasury Board beyond how they're already influenced. They know this program is underfunded in many respects, an

Fisheries committee  We do have it within how we break down our budget, but I don't think you would necessarily find that in main estimates, for example.

Fisheries committee  As I said, they're absolutely essential, the volunteers we depend on to run the harbours. That's a question you may want to get into, as well, when the regional directors are here, because they can speak more effectively than I can with respect to their individual regional situat

Fisheries committee  Exactly.

Fisheries committee  As the deck indicates, we have roughly over 350 that we still need to divest. And you're quite right. In terms of priority, obviously, we would argue that the maintenance of the core harbours is critical, because as you know, we're slipping behind in that regard. However, we cann

Fisheries committee  I'll ask Mr. Bergeron to say something about that.

Fisheries committee  I don't think it's a pipe dream, and it is part of our longer-term vision. We can all kind of guess when we might reach that ultimate vision. To be fair, I think it's quite a few years into the future. As I said earlier in the presentation, we believe that this is the direction

Fisheries committee  I think that's a fair comment. The evolution, if you can put it that way, of the use of the harbours has put additional budgetary pressures on the program. Just to name one example--and you may be alluding to this--with some of these changes and increased usage of the harbours by

Fisheries committee  Thank you for your question. I can say that the funding gap problem has been around for a long time. I would say it's been about 10 years, even more. We evaluated the situation of our small craft harbours in 2002. That analysis showed that there was a genuine lack of resources.

Fisheries committee  Our vision is based on the budget required for the program, but we currently don't have enough funding. So it's impossible to establish any kind of timetable.

Fisheries committee  I would say probably they are, given that we've divested of some harbours since the earlier timeframe.

Fisheries committee  I think I'd have to look at this in a little more detail, but the $28 million, for example, somewhat compares—and perhaps for different reasons—to the $35 million that we say we're short now to address the rust-out or the poor condition of the harbours. But we'd have to factor in

Fisheries committee  Yes.

Fisheries committee  I was just handed something. I don't know whether that's....