Agriculture committee  I have just one quick point on the options program. In a program like the options program that's going to be developed, as I said before, I would encourage that the department people who are in government, who are designing the program, include the private sector, such as accountants and business advisers.

Agriculture committee  You asked what we needed to do in some areas. I think there's a high degree of education and information required--information to the farmers both pro and con, good and bad, advantages and disadvantages. I think there's a risk right now of farmers looking and grasping onto something that's going to give them a glimmer of hope.

Agriculture committee  I have a comment. I would agree that from our perspective in working with farmers on a business management perspective, innovation is a good thing, but there would be two correlating concerns with that: oftentimes with innovation there's a requirement for investment, and oftentimes the innovation is cutting edge or leading edge and there's not a lot of traditional models or a lot of historic information upon which to make investment decisions.

Agriculture committee  I could, or I could respond to questions, if you like. I could do it either way.

Agriculture committee  Thanks very much, Bob. Thanks to the CFA for providing me with this opportunity. Thanks for the opportunity from the committee to come and attend this meeting. I'm a partner and farm management consultant with Meyers Norris Penny. Some of my comments on the renewal program, which I'll start, Mr.