Public Accounts committee  Okay, good. Great.

Public Accounts committee  May I just have one moment, please? I'd like to talk to this committee just very briefly about the whole issue of this investigation that took place by the Ottawa city police and the response by the crown attorney. It was indicated that the phrase “no reasonable prospective co

Public Accounts committee  That's correct.

Public Accounts committee  There have been three individuals in that position since I left. I believe that Sandra Conlin is presently in that position.

Public Accounts committee  I can only speculate. I might still be there if the frustration level hadn't become so high, but I had 35 years and, quite frankly, was ready to go. It's a high-stress job, because you're dealing with negativity all day long. The first fellow who replaced me was moved to London,

Public Accounts committee  Certainly you can refuse transfers, and people have. I don't know if it's fair to say that as soon as somebody starts asking questions they get moved. I don't believe that to be the case; nor do I believe--as I heard in these hearings--there is no such thing as a punitive move in

Public Accounts committee  I suppose from the perspective of behaviour.... Denise was doing an A-based review, as I understand it, and came upon the irregularities. But the fact of the matter is that the behavioural issues, the abuse of power and authority and the lack of leadership and positive interactio

Public Accounts committee  Do you mean outside of Ottawa?

Public Accounts committee  I believe this particular situation was the worst-case scenario. I had a meeting with a lady--and I'm not going to mention her name here--but she worked in that environment with Mr. Crupi, and she was frightened of that man. You have to understand my position as the ethics ad

Public Accounts committee  Well, you're entitled to disagree. What I'm saying is that every organization is subject to the same frailties, I suppose, of human behaviour. The RCMP has had issues around abuse of power and authority. It's had issues around harassment. I've dealt with many of those in my 21

Public Accounts committee  Do you mean for the purpose of this audit that was conducted? All of it would.

Public Accounts committee  Well, it was not unique, but it was certainly relative to NCPC under Dominic Crupi. So as a consequence of that, the audit would have taken those issues and dealt with them. I wasn't speaking, though, about the poison work environment as it relates to outside of the force. We do

Public Accounts committee  You mean inside of NCPC. I dealt with issues for the entire force--coast to coast to coast.

Public Accounts committee  Well, I believe it was Mr. Williams who continued to ask for fulsome answers to the questions, and as I sat and listened, quite frankly, I shared your frustration, because the answers were not particularly fulsome and in some cases were evasive. So I don't know that I have to go

Public Accounts committee  I think it's the culture. It's culture and behaviour. Unless the culture and behaviour change.... And it's not something that's unique to the RCMP; it's prevalent in government as well, ladies and gentlemen. I think it's something that exists, whether in private industry or publi