Agriculture committee  You're my MP, I should have said.

Agriculture committee  Correct.

Agriculture committee  Go ahead.

Agriculture committee  I would be hard-pressed to give you a number, where the balance lies. There's no doubt that consumers love ready-to-eat products off the shelf, many of which are non-lCL, so there is certainly a shift in the grocery store from buying a whole chicken to something that's ready to eat.

Agriculture committee  Once you're issued an import permit, you have the ability to sell that permit to someone else, and they can also import the product. Whether that's the motivation, something just for convenience's sake, also for the manufacturer.... It's much easier, if he's going to manufacture product over the course of the year, to sell his import permit and purchase product for the Canadian market.

Agriculture committee  That's correct.

Agriculture committee  Let's rephrase that. This is why you don't talk about the 13% rule; it's very confusing. You have to think of it in the reverse. Products that can come into this country duty-free can have a chicken content up to 87%. You want to lower that 87% to 20%.

Agriculture committee  Yes.

Agriculture committee  To the extent that they could be. I think what's required here is a will to initiate something.

Agriculture committee  There are overlapping ministries here. We have the Minister of Finance, we have the Minister of Agriculture, and we have the Minister of Trade. We look to our own Minister of Agriculture to be our advocate with other ministries also.

Agriculture committee  It applies to Canadian manufacturers.

Agriculture committee  The 13% rule is a Canadian rule.

Agriculture committee  That depends on the will of the minister to initiate that. I'm hopeful. We're asking. It requires some decisive decision-making. It's a win-win proposition. We're perplexed why we can't do it.

Agriculture committee  There are no competing interests as far as whether it should be done or not with the SM5.

Agriculture committee  If we take the European Union as an example, they just initiated an article 28 this past year. They had no reservations about protecting their domestic market.