Public Safety committee  I'm not aware either.

Public Safety committee  To add, if any defence lawyer is going to challenge—“What did you get for this testimony?”—it goes straight to credibility. But the statutes I've reviewed in Australia actually have another mechanism for disclosure to other courts if a protectee, now having completed his testimon

Public Safety committee  It will be very brief. I think we hope it is a good system, but how do we know? In fact, if you did have the ability to review, it could very well be that there would be accolades for the system and people would say that it's a wonderful system, it's the best system. But we don

Public Safety committee  And I can hear the good arguments that this is the way it should remain.

Public Safety committee  Yes, it appears to be. I can tell you that the Australian Federal Police administers the main program, but each state has its own witness protection act, and they add and take away in a manner that confounds me, having read them. I can tell you their statutes are much thicker. T

Public Safety committee  I've already said the minister or ministerial designate, perhaps somebody from this committee, somebody from the bench, somebody from the bar, the law society, lay people—pretty well any kind of mix, other than one person overseeing their own job.

Public Safety committee  I just wish to point out that the commissioner must consider the statutes I've reviewed from Australia. They have psychological review of the individual before entry into the program, psychological support after entry into the program, and ongoing support. That's directly in thei

Public Safety committee  Absolutely not. I'm trying to make suggestions to make it better. But I really worry about the people who say this is an extreme thing. I know of a couple of problems. If you see two cockroaches in your kitchen, how many cockroaches do you have?

Public Safety committee  Yes, because it's such a secretive situation that it's often almost rumour. But I think the press was so anxious to get this to the public—and they spent a lot of time and money doing a court challenge so they could at least say what they did—because the public has a right to kno

Public Safety committee  Sir, we're repeating ourselves, but it's under section 11, under exceptions, which is paragraphs (3)(a), (b), and (c). This all allows the disclosure by the commissioner, with first of all the consent of the protectee, which you're probably not going to get, although he might; an

Public Safety committee  Absolutely.

Public Safety committee  Then he was a live bug. He became a live bug for the RCMP. I don't think I finished on your question about the case. Franc v. Webb is 1998 B.C. Supreme Court's C965011 and is a case that talks about the RCMP reneging on contracts.

Public Safety committee  If I might comment, I agree, but this is all at the discretion of the commissioner. It also says that the protectee or former protectee “has previously disclosed the information or acted in a manner that results in the disclosure”. Well, he was in the newspaper, charged with murd

Public Safety committee  No, it wasn't.

Public Safety committee  No, I'm just saying that the statute says under the exceptions—and you've already covered some of them—that under paragraph 11(3)(b) the exception is that the commissioner may disclose “if the protectee or former protectee has previously disclosed the information or acted in a ma