Finance committee  Fine. Okay. Let me give you an illustration of how I think.... If we take Imperial Oil, the largest oil company in Canada, and compare it with Statoil in Norway, we notice that over the last 50 years or so, Imperial Oil has put away $10 billion or $15 billion in its reserve. Sta

Finance committee  I don't think that's what I'm implying there.

Finance committee  Individuals versus...?

Finance committee  I don't think it's that simple. By the way, I have the five copies of my summary here. I'm wondering what was on the five copies that I gave to the lady here, that were circulated to you folks. For some reason there was a mix-up there. I think the point I wanted to make—

Finance committee  I'm Jim Hackler, from the social responsibility committee of the First Unitarian Church of Victoria. I had no idea that Mrs. MacDonald would be presenting today. This is strictly a coincidence. We are concerned that politicians tend to be very apologetic about taxes, as if they