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Public Safety committee  Whenever we try to get the cost of litigation, it's very, very difficult, because litigation is not necessarily costed in a way that can be provided to you simply. Remember, there are three cases. There have been numerous, numerous proceedings before the Federal Court of Appeal and, ultimately, the Supreme Court of Canada.

November 29th, 2007Committee meeting

Philip Rosen

Public Safety committee  We could do what you like, but it would be helpful if you would tell us exactly what it is you want to do. We've gleaned some of what you've had to say, but all we could say is this is a relevant witness or this is not a relevant witness. Then it's a matter of finding extra time or doing it after the new year and fitting them all in.

November 20th, 2007Committee meeting

Philip Rosen

Public Safety committee  There are some obvious witnesses that, for whatever reason, haven't contacted the clerk yet. One of them is the Canadian Council for Refugees, which I'm sure will have something to say about this. There's the Barreau du Québec, whom we always call—and I have to admit my conflict of interest as I'm a member of the Barreau du Québec.

November 20th, 2007Committee meeting

Philip Rosen

Public Safety committee  I can guess, Chair. My guess is that it will feed into whatever legislation the government comes up with. Of course, there was legislation brought in by the former government—and Minister Day has signalled that it's coming—but there are a number of items that feed into it, including the commission of inquiry into the Arar affair, and some other things as well.

November 20th, 2007Committee meeting

Philip Rosen

Public Safety committee  My colleague, Ms. Casavant, is doing the work on this. Essentially what we're suggesting is that we're very close to submitting a draft instruction document to you so we can get drafting instructions and write the report while you're doing other things. The Air India commission of inquiry has heard from these experts.

November 20th, 2007Committee meeting

Philip Rosen

Public Safety committee  Well, Chair, there is a second stage to witness protection. We would need a session with you based on my colleague's document to get drafting instructions from you, so we can write what you want us to say about witness protection.

November 20th, 2007Committee meeting

Philip Rosen

Public Safety committee  If I may, Chair, the way the motion reads now, only the members of the committee can have access and read the documents, and we, not being members of the committee, cannot. The practice is, of course, that we do review in camera transcripts when we're trying to understand drafting instructions you give us to supplement whatever notes we take during a drafting session.

November 20th, 2007Committee meeting

Philip Rosen

Public Safety committee  I could just hand out the statement, Chair, if you wish.

November 20th, 2007Committee meeting

Philip Rosen