Public Safety committee  Certainly, either remove it or qualify it.

Public Safety committee  I want to make sure that Professor Roach gets in on this. There are the concrete amendments that we proposed, which I think will resolve some of the issues. On this idea of baby steps or small steps before you run, there's certainly a sense that this is a process in which the p

Public Safety committee  Yes. Paragraph 8(b) really relates to what I suppose we would call operational reviews. The concept is the capacity of the committee to review activities. “Activities” is the terminology used to describe what CSIS and CSE do. It is the term used in their statutes. We're talking a

Public Safety committee  It would be more specific and less open-ended.

Public Safety committee  You avoid this issue if you pursue the course that I've suggested, which is to remove clauses 14 and 16 and go with the SIRC-style language about cabinet confidences. You don't have this issue anymore, because now you've moved beyond the dilemma posed by the U.K. language. If you

Public Safety committee  Again, yes, the defined term is “sensitive information”, although that's roughly analogous to our special operational information.

Public Safety committee  Yes. In other words, clause 14 is no longer an automatic bar to a whole class of information.

Public Safety committee  It's redundant. Again, I call this the triple lock. Paragraph 8(b) is a lock. Clause 14 is a lock. Clause 16 is a lock. These are all means to deny access to the committee. Moreover, incidentally, I would assume that the provisions in the Canada Evidence Act that allow a minist

Public Safety committee  You would certainly take out clauses 14 and 16. Paragraph 8(b) doesn't go to access to information; it's about a veto on actual reviews, so close consideration should be given as to whether there should be a veto. Clauses 14 and 16 would be replaced with language you could take r

Public Safety committee  We structured it so I went first.

Public Safety committee  I'm pleased to hear that because that puts them ahead of my students.

Public Safety committee  Just by way of information, because I knew the comparative issues involving Five Eyes countries and their parliamentary review systems would come up, I prepared a table of comparison. I brought some copies. It's not yet translated, but if people want copies....

Public Safety committee  Okay. It's right there on the corner.

Public Safety committee  Thanks very much. Thank you for inviting me to appear before you. As noted, Professor Roach and I have coordinated our presentations. I'm going to start off by focusing on why we support Bill C-22, and then outline a key concern, some of which you've heard in the prior present

Public Safety committee  I can only report what it is that I've asked counterpart colleagues in Australia, the United Kingdom, and the United States when I posed the question whether their domestic security intelligence organizations have powers of disruption, and whether those powers of disruption are p