Information & Ethics committee  In giving Max Ward the domestic charter flight rights under the condition he buys the Airbus, and buying the Airbus would force Air Canada and Canadian to buy the Airbus. Look, it doesn't make sense. I apologize. You need an inquiry to get the experts in to explain to you what

Information & Ethics committee  I am here to help you because I want the inquiry. Don't you get it? I don't know what this is....

Information & Ethics committee  I'll look for you in Winnipeg.

Information & Ethics committee  Absolutely.

Information & Ethics committee  He left, and then came Peter Bawden, and that was really a mess, because he was after me all the time. But that's something else. Political interference. Mr. Martin, I'll try once more to tell you. It was more complicated than you think. How the whole thing was done was very, ve

Information & Ethics committee  But he was also told he had to buy the Airbus, and you can read it in the paper. You can read it in The New York Times.

Information & Ethics committee  Airbus nearly lost its shirt. The prices were too low.

Information & Ethics committee  That's as a thank you for all that's happened. That's okay. I am the competition.

Information & Ethics committee  The word was out, and the group who met to discuss this and convey it was Fred Doucet, Gerry Doucet, Frank Moores, probably...[Inaudible--Editor]...and Lucien Bouchard. He was at that time the ambassador in Paris, whom I met there and discussed this Airbus business with.

Information & Ethics committee  And we had to buy the business. We had to buy the Max Ward business to force Air Canada to buy Airbus.

Information & Ethics committee  Nobody. Airbus was interested to do it. The companies were interested to do it. They knew--

Information & Ethics committee  Number one, here is the criminal record of Mr. Pelossi. He was convicted--

Information & Ethics committee  I'm lost, number one, but Mr. Chairman, allow me to say something to him.

Information & Ethics committee  --for false accusations. This is a report from the RCMP, and here you can see the rest. I don't care what Mr. Pelossi said or hasn't said. I leave it with you, and probably with an inquiry, when everybody has to answer under oath and probably be cross-examined.

Information & Ethics committee  Madame, I will go back and try one more time. You know, when we met the first time, we spoke about the $300,000...but I would give one to you. I've told you now many times, number one, the commissions were not for me; it was all money to GCI. Can you accept that? Number two, the