National Defence committee  No, it's not an injury then. If he died, he fell. Then it would be a death. There's another column that shows death due to battle and death outside of battle. There are cases, as you know, in which a soldier has died in a traffic accident. That would be down as a non-battle death, which I think is being very unfair.

National Defence committee  I brought it all here for you today.

National Defence committee  I can respond to that. It's a great question. We had the conference over the last few days at the Ottawa Congress Centre, and 450 individuals came from all provinces across Canada. The injured, their families, care providers, and individuals in the chain of command all sat down over those two days and looked at themes.

National Defence committee  Yes, there will. We actually promised all of the participants that we would prepare a report for them of the results of the areas they would like to see. To be very clear here, I would tell you we were not surprised in any way with what we heard. I know we don't have the time here today, but I could very quickly tell you what those five or six areas are that we need to stay focused on within what we both do to ensure that our men and women in uniform get the support they need.

National Defence committee  I have to look at that right now. There was no press allowed in so that people could speak openly on both sides. I'll have to look at that. Again, I could tell you the results here today, but clearly you are not going to see details of an individual saying, here is what happened to me.

National Defence committee  They've all been adopted because people have been told to do them. I went through the last committee, where I made the comment...people said we're bureaucrats at the end of the day, but we're not, we're leaders at the end of the day. We provide direction and people agree.

National Defence committee  To assist the committee, I want to throw this back to the chair here. What are we talking about, mental health or physical ailments?

National Defence committee  One of the six areas is mental health. We did discuss a number of issues around what we could do to help. If we had the time, we could lay out the many things that have been done. We did talk about doing more training. We have an OSISS peer support network in place. You are right, it is focused on the back end coming home, not the front end, the prevention piece.

National Defence committee  Not just on the mental health piece. Both General Jaeger and I can tell you.... I was just at Walter Reed last week. General Jaeger has been to many more places than I have. She is very connected with her counterparts on this whole issue. So the short answer is yes, in many, many ways to ensure that we don't have to reinvent the wheel, we pick best practices.

National Defence committee  I'll kick off and then turn it over to General Jaeger, and she'll talk about the constructive framework. Immediately on hearing that, the department provided moneys to the province, to a local care provider, to assist the case in Petawawa you're talking about, a couple of hundred thousand dollars to help them out.

National Defence committee  No.

National Defence committee  If I could expand on that, Mr. Chair, both General Jaeger and I realize that we need to get more people into Petawawa. We have heard that message loud and clear. We try not to attach to it, but clearly, we need to put an OTSSC-like thing in Petawawa as quickly as possible, and that's what we're working on right now—and in Gagetown.

National Defence committee  But is it perfect? No. Is it better than it was? Yes. We know where we're going and what we have to do.

National Defence committee  Non-battle deaths are deaths of individuals who are not killed actually in battle or in action. They are individuals who may have fallen, as was mentioned earlier, in a road accident. That's how the two are defined.

National Defence committee  Oh, you want the number. Sorry. The total since 2002 through to 2007 for non-battle deaths is eight, while the number of those killed in action is 66. Remember, this is up to December 31, 2007. Again, if I can reiterate, because I have a hard time saying this, I go with the chief, in many cases, to the repatriations.