Industry committee  First of all, Canada has national standards right across the board. They are the same in every province. If you're a CMC in one province you will have reciprocity across the country. We also have reciprocity with 25 countries around the world. As Bob mentioned, the only thing we do challenge is around the code of conduct, because we all know that there are different ways of practising around the world and we want to ensure that when people come to Canada they understand the way we do business.

Industry committee  For the certified. We represent the certified management consultants. That's where the standard is.

Industry committee  It's the code of conduct, really, at the base of it all.

Industry committee  We're trying to formalize groups within the organization to come together to do international work. About 75% to 80% of our members are not in the large firms, so it's a lot tougher for them. It's costly to go into other countries. It is very costly. So we are working with them to help them do that, because there's a great interest and a great need--

Industry committee  It's anecdotal, but we have an international body, which Bob mentioned, whose European hub now comprises over 20 countries, and it's absolutely the strongest part of our organization. I had the privilege of going over to Italy to one of their meetings, and it reminded me so much of Canada.

Industry committee  They had to add the word certifiés to conseillers en management thanks to the CMAs who lobbied very hard in Quebec to ensure that the generic term conseillers en management was not protected.

Industry committee  They must use both AdmA and CMC. But if you go to ADMA's website, you will have to dig to find CMC.

Industry committee  Yes.

Industry committee  Some years ago--I think it was in the early nineties--the office of the professions brought a number of professional bodies together. In the CMC case, the AdmA or administrateur agréé designation became the regulated designation, and CMC became a subset of that designation. So they have not had very much visibility in Quebec.

Industry committee  They also have two other designations underneath the AdmA. So it's AdmA on the top, CMC, the financial planners, and one other.

Industry committee  The organization has.

Industry committee  Yes.

Industry committee  The Canadian Association of Management Consultants has all the individual members as members. The institutes of certified management consultants also have those individuals as members. The legislation belongs at the provincial level, as it does for all other professions. At the same time, we do have reciprocity; this is one organization in which we have so far succeeded in having the national body represent, for the most part, the interests of the various provinces.

Industry committee  No. Neither of us is in the health care area.

Industry committee  Go ahead.