Citizenship and Immigration committee  Could I just add a couple of other things from our perspective? The other two points of priority I think are that the employers applying under these programs should have to prove a record of compliance; that is, the non-complying employers with bad records should not participate in the program any more.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  It's essential to understand that the SAWP program is limited to males who are married.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  So all of them have families in Mexico, and if it's women, it's women who have children. So this is very--

Citizenship and Immigration committee  And some of them come here for years, and are away from their families for four months out of the year. This is a tremendous social problem, so permitting them to apply--

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Absolutely.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  My customers and clients are labour organizations, government agencies, and public policy institutes.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I do labour consulting research and policy research.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  What I believe I said was that, first of all, under the provincial employment standards legislation, the protections for agricultural workers are less than those for other workers. They have fewer rights and their conditions are inferior. These are hazardous jobs; agriculture is a hazardous industry.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I can't speak to the extent to which those workplaces are investigated, except that the Employment Standards Branch knows where those workers are, has the ability to investigate, and should be enforcing the regulations with respect to that employment. The extent to which they are investigated--I don't know; I can't speak to that.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Absolutely. Without the right to change employers, we have a second-class system of indentured slavery, essentially. The temporary farm worker program, where workers are tied to a single employer, makes workers indentured slaves, in the modern sense of the word. There's no other way you can characterize it.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Most programs, yes.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Under some programs, yes.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Well, I'm referring to the SOP and those programs where there is employer sponsorship. Now there are other programs where you can come in, and I'm not sure what the arrangement is.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  No. I think we're talking about the agencies that are responsible for enforcing the working conditions and the laws of Canada. They should know where those workers are, who they're working for, and what their names are. That's all. Right now the program fails because—