Finance committee  Yes, sir, but in this case, one of the things that we've noted is that the costing is quite sensitive to that definition, so a more precise definition would.... We'd be able to provide you—

Finance committee  In general, the discussions with the provinces were of a technical nature.

Finance committee  In the information the Ministry of Finance in Quebec provided, they also provided demographic information. The bulk of the take-up was in the demographic group 20 to 24, and the balance, 25 to 29. So it gives you some sense of a situation with their specific program or tax credit

Finance committee  Sir, in this case, the particular nature of this tax credit is that, unlike a tax credit assessed at a 17% value, this is a tax credit at 100%.

Finance committee  It's a non-refundable tax credit, but it's at 100%. It was a common assumption that we had with the Department of Finance as well, and in consultation with--

Finance committee  It's against the tax payable.

Finance committee  Yes, and in the Quebec form, it has its own line.

Finance committee  Yes. It was our consistent view that we also shared with the Department of Finance in further consultations.

Finance committee  In that case, it is important to limit the assumption for calculation purposes. There is enough evidence available from the government of Quebec, which has managed the program appropriately with reasonable results, based on our analysis.

Finance committee  In this case, a regulation would be needed to establish regular definitions of regions.

Government Operations committee  There are the details concerning program costs and related operating costs. You must refer to program costs. It would also be very useful for us to have the operating costs.

Government Operations committee  It would help us if you added the word “operations.”

Government Operations committee  Yes.

Finance committee  I may just add, Mr. McKay, that we're also speaking specifically about plans terminated due to financial distress, not simply about the volatility of a plan's ability in a given year to meets its obligations. That was our understanding of the policy intent of the bill.

Finance committee  Yes, sir. In fact, this is what we have identified as the core of the issue. While the policy intent has been made more or less clear to us, it's the translation of that policy intent into the actual drafting of the bill that does not allow us to extract a narrow range of variabl