Canadian Heritage committee  We define violence in the broadest possible way, which is to say that if the complainant says it's violent, we accept that it's violent. Our assessment is basically of two kinds. We need to determine, first, whether the violence is gratuitous. You have to bear in mind that under

Canadian Heritage committee  Not exactly. What we said is that they're not allowed to show any gratuitous violence at any time of the day or night.

Canadian Heritage committee  We can show you the tapes. We get the tapes from the broadcasters as part of the system. We have them. Any time you want to look at them--

Canadian Heritage committee  That varies with the year, but let's just say about 70% to 75% of the formal decisions that we render--and I mentioned this during the CBC hearings when we were here testifying, as well--go against broadcasters. We can give you the precise numbers.

Canadian Heritage committee  No, not at all. The president, Mr. von Finckenstein, also gave you a very clear answer on Tuesday: like me, he isn't in favour of censorship at all. It's the public that decides whether there are problems. If it doesn't see a problem, who are we to say there is one?

Canadian Heritage committee  It's related to the fact of receiving no complaints. A single complaint is what it takes for us to start an investigation. It doesn't take 15, 20, 50 or 100: a single complaint can trigger the process. If no Canadians complain about a program, are you claiming that the government

Canadian Heritage committee  The change was made.

Canadian Heritage committee  I explained that to you, madam. You just gave me the contrary example by mentioning the 1.3 million complaints.

Canadian Heritage committee  I understand. Should Virginie Larivière have told Prime Minister Mulroney that she couldn't find a single person in Canada who was prepared to say that there was a violence problem and nevertheless have made her presentation? No. She came in 1991, supported by 1.3 million signatu

Canadian Heritage committee  It's not because of that. It's because you asked that the government take action, through either regulations or a self-regulatory system, depending on your preference, even in the absence of any complaints. That's censorship.

Canadian Heritage committee  Yes. We've already done a lot about delaying programming when it isn't at all appropriate to broadcast it before the later time slot. We don't need to change the act in order to operate in that area.

Canadian Heritage committee  I'm not sure we know the answer to that. Do we know the answer to that, John?

Canadian Heritage committee  Absolutely.

Canadian Heritage committee  Not a large number of large-market broadcasters, if I may characterize them that way. The bulk of the licensed broadcasters who are actually functioning and who are not members would include very small-market radio broadcasters who are obviously not working in the area of televis

Canadian Heritage committee  There are two things. First of all, you just characterized Mr. von Finckenstein's statement as having suggested that there was a problem with very light fines. He didn't say that. What he said was that there is a range of possible recourses that go from the light end—that is, st