Justice committee  To definitively say that this is the sole factor, I can't agree with that. Is it a contributing factor? That's quite possible.

Justice committee  If you're asking the question, is this factor alone the one that leads to security, the answer is no. Is it a contributing factor? It's possible.

Justice committee  I think what you see is the impact of individuals who have stayed in an incarceration setting for a much longer period than the general population. Once they come out, it seems that they're much more amenable to the supervision conditions placed on them. There's a huge readjustme

Justice committee  Just to give you an example, 174 cases have been in front of the courts since 1987. As of today, there are 1,023 cases that are eligible to apply for judicial review. Those are individuals who have served at least 15 years. If I were to break that down even further to those who h

Justice committee  No, that's everybody. It's 15 to 25.

Justice committee  At the courts, no.

Justice committee  I assume they would show up as a victim impact statement at the time of the hearings, so it would be with the courts. Our role at the court is just to provide factual information in terms of the offender's history and participation during his time in our custody, so we don't keep

Justice committee  Yes, we know that most offenders who receive this kind of sentence usually come into the system at around the age of 20 or 21. About 40% come in between the ages of 20 and 39 and they go out at their first release around the age of 44, 45, 46. So they're serving anywhere from 21

Justice committee  I'd have to go back to see exactly the framing for the 1999 study, whether that was just those who were serving an indeterminate sentence or just the 745 cases. The information that we've got is for all indeterminate offenders, so everybody. The majority, of course, are murder on

Justice committee  That's right.

Justice committee  Yes.

Justice committee  No, we'd have to go back and do an individual extraction of data, and we just didn't have time to do that when we got the questions posed to us.

Justice committee  I can give you how many have been successful. Again, it would have required a manual extraction of data as to whether it was first application or second application. We know that since 1987 there have been 174, 175 cases that have gone forward, and the reductions that have been

Justice committee  No. We tried to go back to see if we could come up with that number as quickly as possible, but it requires us to go back into a file review of every one of the cases to see whether there was one or two applications. There was no simple data collection process for us to just push

Justice committee  No, that's the problem. We couldn't get that data without doing a full review of the total number of cases that made application. If we had another week or two to do this, we could do a manual pulling of the files, but we couldn't get it in time for this meeting.