Procedure and House Affairs committee  Yes, I think it could be a combination of things. Yes, we can isolate the document in a particular area. I call that a collaboration site. We can put all kinds of restrictions on that site and then for sure we will know who accesses that site. You can say that you cannot change t

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I can PIN to PIN with Mr. Mulcair and I'm just using the cellular systems, so I'm avoiding using the corporate network, the mail systems. There's no log, okay? Not only that--

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Yes, a scanner. It's the same kind of concern you have in using a cellular phone. When you call someone using your cellular, there are all kinds of devices to collect—

Procedure and House Affairs committee  There are some levels of encryption, but again, they're very, very minimal. Anybody who has some knowledge and good tools can unlock that.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Again, it's much more complex than the device and the features of the device. It's the complete environment. Madam O'Brien explained at the beginning that we have an environment to conduct the usual day-to-day business of members of Parliament. If you were in a place like DND,

Procedure and House Affairs committee  It will never give that assurance, because the more sophisticated it is, the more capacity for maliciousness there is. In reality, the question is always how to put together a document in the purest possible form, to be able to use it in your work. All the other aspects relate to

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Should we get involved in techniques to be used after the fact or should we really try to prevent a situation? It's a lot easier to incorporate properties into a document to make sure it will not be altered or distributed, but after it is sent, it becomes more difficult to contro

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Yes.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  There is the whole watermark technique for paper documents. The same kind of technique certainly exists for electronic documents. But once you add components to limit access to the documents, you have to use much more sophisticated technologies that call for infrastructure and in

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Your comments are excellent. You understand the issue and what it means very well. The approach I recommend stresses prevention and awareness. There is already a lot of concern about the format and composition of the report, who is going to take part in it, but there are also qu

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Yes, absolutely. Some committees have used those technologies already. A lot of things currently exist that can really facilitate a lot of that. I was explaining to Madam O'Brien earlier that at the preplanning stage for a report, the committee clerk, with the chair, and I suppo

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Well, when you're using PIN to PIN, you are avoiding completely the current environment. That means you're using cellular technology to be on the air, wherever you are, and then you're sending that message. It's the same thing if you lose that BlackBerry and somebody uses it and

Procedure and House Affairs committee  That's correct--

Procedure and House Affairs committee  We have provided some caucuses on that point with a good explanation about mail communications, all the communications, and what is protected and what is not protected. I would be very pleased to send this to this committee, this particular documentation, but at the same time--an

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Only the members can really answer that because, again, we've been trying to provide an open platform for members of Parliament to operate in, one that respects your uniqueness and the way you are conducting your business. Therefore, there are vehicles in place that are very secu