Public Safety committee  Drugs in prison, okay.

Public Safety committee  Ms. Morin, if there's an increase in the prison population, we would have to have the resources necessary to handle that new situation. The correctional officers or the institutional staff would need to be given the resources required. If there are 80 inmates in a range made to h

Public Safety committee  Are you talking about drug programs?

Public Safety committee  One thing that's certain is that drugs aren't linked to one group of people. The penitentiaries for women have drug programs, but it's handled a little differently. If you visit a penitentiary for women and a penitentiary for men, you'll see that it's not at all the same thing.

Public Safety committee  Yes.

Public Safety committee  It's the same thing for aboriginals. We call these healing lodges for aboriginal inmates. They are in western Canada, including in Kwìkwèxwelhp and Willow Cree. There are also substance abuse programs. Alcohol is also a big problem.

Public Safety committee  There are specific programs…

Public Safety committee  Yes, we attend eight meetings a year, and some discussions are very heated. Still, there are 54 institutions, and 54 wardens who can interpret things incorrectly.

Public Safety committee  As terrible as this seems, some institutions have nine populations. There are inmates who are under protection because they have not paid their debt; those who are under protection because they committed sexual offences; and biker gangs who can't stand each other. I had a terrib

Public Safety committee  Are you talking about inmates or correctional officers?

Public Safety committee  Oh, inmates who shouldn't be in the prison system?

Public Safety committee  Yes, this has happened often to me. Honestly, even though we're correctional officers, sometimes we say to ourselves, when we see certain inmates: "Oh, poor guy, it makes no sense!" How can it be that there is no program for managing first sentences? It's something I've always as

Public Safety committee  To be honest, in my experience, we talk a lot about drugs, but let's talk instead about drugs and alcohol. Let's not forget about alcohol. I think the percentage is much higher than 50%.

Public Safety committee  It's interesting. The data is interesting. Did the inmates manage in some way to falsify the urine tests? I don't know. It's true that there's a problem between the statistical data and what we see as correctional officers. I think it's true.

Public Safety committee  No.