Public Safety committee  I'm sure Air Canada would be using the American list, certainly for any people flying to the United States, because anyone flying to the United States would be subject to U.S. airspace rules and they would be required to use the U.S. no-fly list.

Public Safety committee  No, that is not correct.

Public Safety committee  A list of people who are on the specified persons list is provided to the airlines. Before every flight, the airlines will reconcile the people who are on their flight against the specified persons list. If there is a possible match, they will phone the Transport Canada operation

Public Safety committee  Out of 600 calls we've received over the past three years, we've had two instances of false positives. In those two instances, neither of those people was denied boarding the flight.

Public Safety committee  Again, I don't know the circumstances with respect to your constituents, but I repeat, if they were denied because they were on the specified persons list, they would have been notified at the time that they were denied the boarding pass.

Public Safety committee  That has never happened.

Public Safety committee  You may indeed have had constituents who were stopped from flying; it would not have been because they were on the specified persons list.

Public Safety committee  I guess I would like to make a few points, Mr. Chair. One is that we are not saying that anyone who was on the list is guilty. What we are saying is that they're a threat to aviation safety. My second point is yes, judicial review is one recourse of action that a person may have

Public Safety committee  Yes, that's correct.

Public Safety committee  Just by way of my first point, your problem with the eight-year-old boy, I would point out that there is no one on the list under the age of 18 years, as required by our identity screening regulations.

Public Safety committee  I don't know the specifics of that particular case, but I can tell you that if they were on the Canadian specified persons list, they would have been notified directly that they were on that list, and I am not aware that such a notification has taken place.

Public Safety committee  No, it's not a possibility. The Canadian list is a sole list in and of itself and has nothing to do with the American list.

Public Safety committee  The only redress we have at Transport Canada would be with whether they were on the specified persons list. If they were denied boarding because of being on the Canadian specified persons list, they would have received notification that they were on the list. If they did receive

Public Safety committee  That is correct.

Public Safety committee  Part of the reason for having the list is that we do not want people who may be a threat to aviation to know whether they are on the list or not so that we can keep them on their toes, as it were, with respect to whether they would use the aviation system or not. If someone who