Transport committee  That's a good question. Actually to my knowledge, First Air has a very robust non-punitive policy in place.

Transport committee  I don't believe that—

Transport committee  I don't believe that actually qualifies in that case, as the circumstances were well known to the corporation before the pilots told them.

Transport committee  First Air has probably been using GPS systems, particularly en route, I would say for at least 10 to 15 years. The north has been a very early adopter of it. Satellite navigation and satellite systems just in general with everything from communications to navigation have been the

Transport committee  The organization is based in Yellowknife, Northwest Territories. I personally am here in Ottawa just because of the access to the regulatory world.

Transport committee  A lot of the real recognizable benefits of SMS tend to be, shall we say, almost more on the industrial side of the operation. We see tremendous improvements in things like cargo handling, maintenance, ramp activities, typically activities that are in themselves inherently perhaps

Transport committee  In our northern and remote regions, the biggest hurdle we face right now is infrastructure. The north continues to have a problem with aviation weather. A lot of the locations do not have 24-hour aviation weather, which is a problem. We are still, in many locations, dealing with

Transport committee  —and probably pushing 40 years old in many cases. We need more pavement or hard surfacing in order to allow the operators to upgrade their fleets to provide more economical and better service. Many of the runways are still short. The design aircraft of the day was the DC-3, for

Transport committee  I'm afraid I am not aware of any of our members that have actually utilized the ATAC toolkit. I am aware of some of our members that have used the CCAA, Canadian Council for Aviation & Aerospace SMS tools to assist them in their implementation.

Transport committee  It is for the inspectors, it appears.

Transport committee  We actually have problems in getting levels of service in a lot of areas.

Transport committee  Everything from manual amendments to sometimes inspector check rides on aircraft to importing airplanes—all of the normal business activities that have to be undertaken, we're finding increasingly difficult to move through Transport. It's not uncommon for new aircraft, or aircraf

Transport committee  Certainly not enough personnel would be part of it. We also think there's a tremendous amount of legacy work, shall we say, that's not really value added to safety that they get caught up in. Let's pick the MMEL, the master minimum equipment list. These are items that you can d

Transport committee  Yes.

Transport committee  I think it's a little of both.