Industry committee  In most countries, I think both rights are managed by a single collective management society, but not in all. A collective management society's role is to represent all the owners of similar rights, but it is also to make an extensive repertoire of works available to users. A col

Industry committee  There are more than 30, but the board deals with only 8 or 10.

Industry committee  Precisely. I'd like to add to what my colleague was saying, if I may. It's important to understand that rights owners, themselves, could not collect royalties from every broadcaster, in hotels, restaurants, and so forth. Music is played in many public spaces, known, in France, a

Industry committee  It was $3.2 million.

Industry committee  It was the same.

Industry committee  For instance, for 2013-14, it was $3.2 million; for 2014-15, it was $3.275 million; and for 2015-16, it was $3.250 million. So it's actually slightly decreased.

Industry committee  We do have a certain problem, yes. First, it's hard to attract economists, especially, I would say. It's very hard for us to compete with the private sector in terms of salaries, advantages, and so forth. As soon as they get some knowledge of how the board functions, they have an

Industry committee  As soon as someone leaves the board, is absent on family leave—and it happens all the time—retires suddenly, or is on sick leave and we're not been made aware in advance, it has an impact immediately. By the way, even if a court clerk of the board is not there, it has an impact.

Industry committee  No. No, we did not. In all fairness to Minister Dion, he didn't say, yes, provide immediately additional resources to the board; he said that a study should be done immediately to look at the financial situation of the board.

Industry committee  I agree with you.

Industry committee  Does your question relate to the collective management of copyright, or does it relate to bigger issues and copyright issues in general?

Industry committee  I wouldn't say that it's out of control, but it's difficult. It's a challenge with the resources we have. As I mentioned in my presentation, there have been three phases, plus major decisions of the Supreme Court of Canada, plus some decisions of the Federal Court of Appeal, with

Industry committee  First, it wasn't 2012 but 2014.

Industry committee  Regardless of that, the overview that might most reasonably be justified should be done through the parliamentary review that will take place in 2017. You have to understand that the board's role is not as a policy-maker. The board is a tribunal that establishes royalties to be p

Industry committee  Certainly we could be involved. We could be asked as witnesses again. We could also have sessions prior to formal hearings of this committee. What I also would recommend is that the two departments involve us—which has not always been the case in the past, by the way. There have