Citizenship and Immigration committee  We're not criminal lawyers, just to let you know. We're immigration lawyers. We're not the ones arguing and raising those cases in criminal court.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes, but I have spoken to very senior criminal counsel, and they have all confirmed that the system would grind to a halt. The system is predicated on the fact that 80% of cases will be pleaded to. The benefit and the beauty of the immigration appeal division is that they can lo

Citizenship and Immigration committee  They plead. About 80% of the cases are pleaded to, and it's criminal.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  On a related matter, I was going to add that I have spoken to the criminal bar on this and they're very concerned because right now, as I said, 80% of cases are pleaded to. Pleading will stop in these cases because they could not take a chance. There's going to be a backlog. Ther

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Thank you, Chair. I was going to say that using a—

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I was going to continue. Using a false or fraudulent document is an offence under section 368 of the Criminal Code and carries a maximum potential penalty of 10 years. A 20-year-old permanent resident who is convicted of using fake identification to get into a bar while visiting

Citizenship and Immigration committee  We're in agreement on that.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Perhaps I could make one final comment on that. I know that members feel there's a lot of support for this bill, but I honestly feel that when you call it the faster removal of foreign criminals act, people don't understand that you're talking about their brother or their sister

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Well, I don't know about his particular circumstances, but it sounds like he—

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I'm an immigration lawyer, not a criminal lawyer.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  No, I don't know his particular circumstances.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  We don't want to be adversarial with you. We're just trying to give you the other side of the story. I know that you have your sound bites—you do the crime, you do the time—but people are individuals.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Okay, but I'm going to give you—

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I just said I didn't know the circumstances.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  May I respond?