International Trade committee  Thank you.

International Trade committee  I don't know either of those people personally, but I would assume from their positions that they have a high degree of credibility.

International Trade committee  --the political situation in Colombia is not as black and white as--

International Trade committee  It's hard to be in opposition in Colombia.

International Trade committee  I think also that we have many people--names have been put forward--from Colombia who would be able to speak directly to the committee as Colombians. I know some of them have been heard, and I hope that more are able to be heard. I think your point is well taken, and we need to hear from Colombians from a diverse representation of civil society.

International Trade committee  --including presidential candidates.... I'm just saying that--

International Trade committee  My point, before you cut me off, was just that--

International Trade committee  May I just finish that?

International Trade committee  May I finish my point?

International Trade committee  Or by the paramilitaries. I have those numbers--

International Trade committee  Absolutely. That's correct. Those numbers are from the National Indigenous Organization of Colombia, ONIC, which is an organization that includes indigenous organizations from the entire country, and those are their numbers. In fact, they may be low because they had an extra 62 numbers reported to them at the end of last year, which they were still investigating when the certificate came out.

International Trade committee  --although I do know that FARC guerillas have been responsible for some and paramilitary forces have been responsible for some as well.

International Trade committee  Thank you. In addition to what Carleen has said, which I think is a very important and weighty issue that we need to consider as Canadians, I also believe that although a human rights impact assessment—believe me, I feel like a broken record in continuing to say it—would help us to see this better, the trade agreement with Colombia could exacerbate an already staggeringly difficult human rights situation.

International Trade committee  There's a very great potential for that, and that's what I think an impact assessment could help us to see.

International Trade committee  I agree with you. Go ahead, Carleen.