Justice committee  Let's start with the police station. If the police officer at a station, the officer in charge, has the power to release and there's no information in CPIC or wherever about this person's background, that person will probably be released from the station if the officer can do it,

Justice committee  I'm sorry. My mind faded for a couple of seconds. Could you ask me that again?

Justice committee  No.

Justice committee  The judge is going to apply the primary, secondary, and tertiary grounds. On the fact that a person doesn't have any criminal record, the fact that it's not available, if the facts as presented to the bail hearing at that particular point in time determine that this person should

Justice committee  Because a judge or a justice of the peace, as it may be, has to make a decision about whether an accused is going to be denied liberty, and he does it in graded steps, based on the primary, secondary, and tertiary grounds.

Justice committee  Yes, obviously.

Justice committee  On a daily basis?

Justice committee  I'd say at least five to 10 each day. Sometimes you see courts, when trying to deal with this, having to deal with administrative things that are foreign to some other courts. I don't want to pick any jurisdiction in particular, but Brampton, Ontario is a hugely growing municip

Justice committee  With respect, that is my submission.

Justice committee  I'm sorry. I apologize.

Justice committee  I think it is symbolic because I think that it creates.... I think it is symbolic in many ways. That's sort of the concern I had—albeit with the apologies I stated at the beginning.

Justice committee  I think that we are maybe creating problems in a criminal justice system that is under stress and being looked at by the federal government and provincial governments. Let me just say this, if I could. We are sitting here and you are working very hard, and I'm a defence counsel

Justice committee  If every bail were contested, we'd get nothing done. There is real hope that there's front-end management—and this has been a problem—so that crowns can make decisions about release and not be concerned about risk aversion. You need that front-end management, because you cannot a

Justice committee  There are problems in communication between forces, but I think best efforts are made to make sure that CPIC is up to date. CPIC is a national program. Sometimes it falls through the cracks, but in my experience, when I'm going for a bail hearing, usually the police pretty well h

Justice committee  I think when we're looking at criminal justice issues, we have historically looked at it with siloed approach. Health is not at the table with justice and corrections, and it's the same thing with the provinces, in my respectful submission. The committee would benefit from knowi