Justice committee  Well, I think they're different. I think what was intended, certainly by my approach, was that by adding the words “protection of the public”, it added some ammunition to the judge and the prosecutor who would be dealing with pre-trial sentence. I mean, you've got to have the a

Justice committee  I'm not so sure it's a good idea. This is where I depart from my friend. I never thought it was a great thing, other than to try to put some pressure on the judge, even on the adult side. If you rob a bank and you get convicted and you're sent to prison for eight years or whate

Justice committee  That's what I meant in the short term, yes. The difficulty of the long-term protection of the public was that it was basically interpreted as being through rehabilitation. There was no short-term stuff to deal with people who needed to be dealt with to protect the public. If my

Justice committee  I did not, and nobody suggested that I do.

Justice committee  I was aware that there was a difference in Quebec, but that was about all. Nobody brought it up before me and I didn't ask for it.

Justice committee  I agree. One of the witnesses I had was the deputy of social services, I think. With social services at the time, the heaviest thrust was for child abuse, but there wasn't a way to help mothers or single parents who were having trouble with their children. I asked him how much

Justice committee  If I understand, the public perception...

Justice committee  No.

Justice committee  I was saying that should be added to the existing section 3.

Justice committee  The words that I suggested be put in were in the original act before they passed it, and they were taken out: “protection of the public”. We thought they should be there as one of the reasons to supplement the judge's concerns when he's dealing with someone--

Justice committee  If I could remember where it was in the book, I'd be able to deal with it a little better. I can tell you it stemmed from appearances before me of police, particularly the deputy chief of the Halifax police force, who impressed me very much at the time, I must admit. He attended

Justice committee  Yes, it was his first one--this is always the way. This is the unfortunate part when you're dealing with them. My guy had 38 offences, of which 15 or 20 involved stolen cars. He got out of jail for stealing a car and stole another one two days later when he killed a woman. Thos

Justice committee  I thought you might do that. I have a problem. I was only asked to come here on Monday, as a result of my report, so I spent the last three days reading my report again because it was four years since I had really been involved with it. Before I was involved with it, I had no e