National Defence committee  Thank you. I don't think you need an explanation, so I will just put the motion as usual. Shall the chair's decision be sustained? (Ruling of the chair sustained)

National Defence committee  Thank you. Mr. Harris, I get the idea of what you're saying. The way to resolve it, according to our practices, is to have the motion read as follows: that the chair's ruling be sustained. It is written in an affirmative way. Those who challenge the chair's ruling would vote aga

National Defence committee  Yes, and Mr. Harris did so.

National Defence committee  It is the opposite proposition. It is a bit odd, but that's the procedure. (Ruling of the chair overturned) As the motion is defeated, the amendment is on the floor of the committee.

National Defence committee  Procedurally, that's the way to do it.

National Defence committee  To answer your question, Mr. Hawn, in the event the said motion is defeated, the motion goes to the floor of the committee as a regular one. It could be amended and subamended. The motion is that the chair's ruling be sustained. All in favour of the motion?

National Defence committee  Mr. Harris has made it clear that he would like to overturn the ruling.

National Defence committee  As I said, procedurally, the motion is written in an affirmative way out of respect for the chair.

National Defence committee  Mr. Harris, it was sent to me at 10:30 this morning by fax. I spoke to Madam Laliberté, who I believe is a spokesperson for the ombudsman, and she told me she would make sure the members received it before the meeting. My guess was probably before 12 p.m. She told me that prior t

National Defence committee  On the 28th.

National Defence committee  Yes.

National Defence committee  I will verify, but at first glance--

National Defence committee  If we leave in November it should be fine, but I will make sure.

National Defence committee  Since we have booked for Fort Worth now, we still have Mr. Harris' wish to visit the Maritimes. Are there any preferences in terms of when we would go?

National Defence committee  Thank you very much. My name is Jean-François Lafleur. I've been with procedural services since 2003. I used to be a legislative clerk, and for three years I was a clerk with the agriculture committee. Just before coming to national defence, I was a legislative clerk. I've been