International Trade committee  Absolutely.

International Trade committee  Yes.

International Trade committee  Yes, that's right. Oh-oh, I'm in trouble now.

International Trade committee  I think there are two elements to it, as I've said. One is eliminating the tariffs. Get that irritant off the table. That's nice. That goes to competitiveness right off the bat. The second thing is the non-tariff trade barriers or market access stuff. That's where we spend, as I

International Trade committee  It's $304 million, and $127 million of that is softwood lumber. On the pulp and paper side it's $168 million of which $161 million is pulp, so there's a lot of pulp and not a lot of paper.

International Trade committee  I cannot give you an answer to that—we haven't done that analysis—but I would expect a positive employment impact.

International Trade committee  If we're driving 38,000 jobs, it would be somewhere north of that. It's hard to quantify that stuff prospectively. You need to kind of look at it and say, “Okay, well, what's the market there now? How does this increase our competitiveness? Where do we think market share could in

International Trade committee  There are some things that you can do and you can't do. The point of the matter is that the supply chain in British Columbia is commercially driven. You can't legislate a value-added industry. You have to create the hosting conditions for an entrepreneur or a company to be able t

International Trade committee  They've even done it in a manner where you can still drive over the old bridge.

International Trade committee  I wouldn't share that assessment. I'm not sure who you were talking with, but the forest products industry on the coast of British Columbia is very integrated—

International Trade committee  No, internally. On the question on whether the value-added guys or the multinationals are going to be the people who win or lose in this deal, on the coast we have a very integrated industry. We start with large companies, most or all of which are Canadian owned or privately owne

International Trade committee  We would argue it starts when you start managing the forest, but that's—

International Trade committee  What I will say is the traditional definition of it is you take something that has been processed in a primary fashion, so touched the first time, and when you touch it the second time, it's either secondary or tertiary manufacturing. That's what you'd call value-added—

International Trade committee  Right, and that product range can be anywhere from a clear shop-grade board that you're going to send there that would be made into windows and doors, say, in Italy, to actual cabinets or those kinds of products.

International Trade committee  There are a whole bunch of factors that go into that. If somebody can actually make money making windows and shipping them into Italy, they're free to do that.