Public Safety committee  Not at all.

Public Safety committee  First of all, we're just relaying information that's already been reported. The increase is not our take on it; it's a fact. But what we are saying is that it is not unreasonable, by any stretch of the imagination, to suggest that when you take an already very thin law enforcement presence on the border and you reduce it more...it is not unreasonable to suggest you will increase what's already increasing that much more, thereby downloading the very insubstantial, very minute savings that you produced, downloading costs to other law enforcement agencies inland that have to deal with those.

Public Safety committee  Yes. What I'm saying is that it is not at all unreasonable to suggest that this is exactly what will happen. It's already on the increase, and you're reducing a presence, an already thin presence.

Public Safety committee  Oh, I'm sorry, sir. If anything, it is not unreasonable to presume that reducing an already extremely thin presence of law enforcement on the border will only exacerbate an already reportedly important problem. It will basically download the problems that come with an increase in clandestine entries and smuggling into the country to other law enforcement agencies.

Public Safety committee  Before I do that, please allow me to apologize for not having introduced my colleague, whose name is Jean-Pierre Fortin. He is the first national vice-president of our organization. I think I also neglected to introduce myself. I'm Ron Moran, and I'm the national president. We represent all front-line as well as inland customs and immigration investigators, intelligence-gathering, immigration inland removals, as well as hearings officers and the support staff.

Public Safety committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Members of the committee, thank you for having us. As has been highlighted already, the Canada Border Services Agency has announced that as part of its strategic review in Quebec, it intends to close two land border ports of entry, reduce the hours at three others, and further to close four inland points of service in that particular province.