Bill C-11 committee  —but it's mainly producers, and you don't create—

Bill C-11 committee  We don't see that. What we see is that we have rights that are in the law. We have them in the law, but they are not getting paid. Broadcast mechanical and private copying are not extended to DAR, to reproduction.

Bill C-11 committee  Obviously. The—

Bill C-11 committee  I'm not in the business of the performing right, but as legislators, you decided in 1997 to bring in other rights, which were the rights to the performing artist and the record companies, or what we call neighbouring rights. Up to a certain point it was in the law. It has an effe

Bill C-11 committee  The second thing is SOCAN. They had an increase in the rate in the last five or six years. They have had that rate for the last 20 years, and the reproduction right at SODRAC is obviously another right. We're having this discussion in Canada, but all around the world and in Eur

Bill C-11 committee  We're talking about private copying. We're talking about monetization, about ISPs. We're talking about the fact that for a copyright owner there is a value to the work that is used by the consumer or by the ISPs that are using those works.

Bill C-11 committee  I don't know. You have to look around the world. There are multiple technologies that you can have—

Bill C-11 committee  Yes, well, if you look at some countries, they use the three-step test, the three-strike—

Bill C-11 committee  Sure. Why not?

Bill C-11 committee  Sure. Why not?

Bill C-11 committee  Sure. Why not?

Bill C-11 committee  It's another way of monetizing the value of the right.

Bill C-11 committee  There's a value—

Bill C-11 committee  When we are in front of the Copyright Board, the Copyright Board does not give any royalties based on what we ask. What they do is they ask.... Let's say it's CPCC. They are well informed of it there and they do some surveys of what it has done. When we receive the private copyin

Bill C-11 committee  There is a way by which you will have to remunerate the value of the songs that are created and pay for the songs. That's for sure.