Industry committee  Okay. I'll try. Education was added as a fair dealing purpose in 2012. That was in the spring and summer. In parliament, the question to Minister Jennex was, “Will adding education to the fair dealing provision as a new purpose have any impact on you paying the rights holders?”

Industry committee  If I may, the answer to that question is found in the contracts that are entered into between publishers and authors. They divide up the pot, and that would vary on how prominent and important the author is. The prices are set and the education system doesn't have any control ove

Industry committee  No.

Industry committee  The rates of the tariffs are set by the Copyright Board, and they're almost constantly appealed. Prior to the tariff system, the fee was around $2.50 for a full-time student equivalent. The Copyright Board set a tariff that was $5 and pennies. It ended up at $4.81 when the appe

Industry committee  No, the money that's spent, as you'll see, is increasing. It's just not being spent on the same things. It's being spent on something different.

Industry committee  There are a lot of questions there. Let's deal with Minister Jennex's comments in the Copyright Modernization Act. Minister Jennex's statement in 2011 or 2012 was correct. It's still correct. That's because adding education as a fair dealing purpose, which is what happened when

Industry committee  I think it was Deloitte. It was several years ago now, but I can provide the report.

Industry committee  The other thing, the York case—sorry, I'm not going to take up time here—is under appeal, and we have multiple cases interpreting fair dealing consistent with what Minister Churchill said. We have one case that has a different interpretation. We'll let the courts do their work, a

Industry committee  If you look at the handout, you will see that Canadian publishers' sales of their own titles in K-to-12 educational institutions have gone up in 2012 and 2016, in that graph. Presumably Canadian publishers' own titles are Canadian content, so they're increasing.

Industry committee  It's actually in millions.

Industry committee  Yes, the graph contains Statistics Canada data. They study the publishing industry nationally, and this was extracted from studies that were done of the publishing industry in Canada, in 2012, 2014, and 2016.

Industry committee  No, I don't think that's fair to say.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  We are asking the Supreme Court to interpret the second step in the CCH case on what is fair, using those six factors. The Federal Court of Appeal has established a hard and fast rule that a teacher who copies for students in his or her class--it's not fair, period. We think, as

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  Exactly.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  The answer to your question is yes. A leave application has been filed with the Supreme Court of Canada to hear a very narrow issue that comes from that case. It's not all of it, it's a small part, but the principle is very important. The principle is, can a teacher make a copy f