Canadian Heritage committee  Sorry, six, seven, ten countries? There are 27 countries. The EU is not just one country, but many countries. I have issues with a number of points that you raise. First is the characterization of what I've said on the secrecy issue. The whole process I think enables to arrive

Canadian Heritage committee  You focus on copyright infringement. I am telling you it is broader than copyright infringement.

Canadian Heritage committee  The three strikes provision is not in ACTA--

Canadian Heritage committee  You're certainly going to have to review the Trade-marks Act--

Canadian Heritage committee  You're certainly going to have to review the Trade-marks Act; you're going to have to review the Criminal Code. As far as ISP.... And I'm happy that we raised the three strikes. Three strikes originated in France. When I first studied this, I told myself, “Well, we're a common l

Canadian Heritage committee  You didn't mention, is this is a trademark treaty?

Canadian Heritage committee  This is a multi-faceted treaty. It deals with civil enforcement, and civil enforcement can be under the Trade-marks Act or under the Copyright Act. One thing is for sure: we're all in agreement that it's primarily trademark- and copyright-based.

Canadian Heritage committee  It's trademark- and copyright-based.

Canadian Heritage committee  There's civil enforcement, so that touches trademark/copyright. There's criminal enforcement, so that touches the criminal act. There's also border enforcement, so that touches on customs. And there's the digital environment, which--

Canadian Heritage committee  As I said in my earlier comments, Bill C-32, to my understanding, meets the ACTA requirements--

Canadian Heritage committee  --but therein is not the question. Bill C-32 is a portion. There's the whole trademark issue. There's the customs issue. That's not addressed by Bill C-32.

Canadian Heritage committee  Sir, that's not all I said.

Canadian Heritage committee  I also said it would be less embarrassing for Canada—

Canadian Heritage committee  —if it's behind closed doors.

Canadian Heritage committee  Yes, but in what situation would it apply?