Industry committee  At page 11 of my presentation, I included a list of all the decisions made in the last few years. We can also see how one decision served as a precedent for another. Telecom Decision 2008-17, which is central, called GAS non-essential. That was based precisely on the direction, and specifically on an approach that advocates deregulation, forbearance.

Industry committee  As an individual, my death...

Industry committee  I think so, but you can perhaps put the question to Rocky.

Industry committee  There are models in Europe, where the government regulated that the last mile be open access that many companies can have access to. There are different ways of implementing that. Britain split British Telecommunications into two, a network--basically a Bell Nexxia--and a Bell retail, so that they don't have a conflict of interest.

Industry committee  When I was writing my petition to the Governor in Council, I read and reread the directions. I saw a document that struck a good balance between regulation and deregulation of market forces. I didn't see a direction that we deregulate blindly. From what I have been able to see, the CRTC is to all intents and purposes letting Bell Canada charge what it wants, on the pretext that the directions entitle it to do that.

Industry committee  During the proceedings, the question was asked about how much is shared, and Bell refused to divulge specifics. It admitted that it was somewhere between the BAS and the DSLAM. If you look at my little graph on pages 7 and 8, it joins up, and a big portion of it is shared. What's interesting is the amount that's shared between the Bell retail Internet and Bell's IPTV.

Industry committee  As an individual, I've spent many countless hours and nights and I don't know how many dozens of cans of Red Bull to stay awake to write submissions over the last year and a half. There have been five decisions already, always in the same direction, from the CRTC. We've had hope that eventually the CRTC would wake up and see the truth and reverse its decision.

Industry committee  I think I can provide a simple explanation. Basically you buy throughout the Internet by capacity. You buy a pipe of a certain size. You cannot push more data into that pipe than the size of it.

Industry committee  Yes.

Industry committee  Correct.

Industry committee  Given that he represents an Internet supplier, Mr. Gaudrault has a little more knowledge about congestion. So I'm going to let him answer.

Industry committee  One thing has to be noted. During the proceedings on ITMPs and throttling and the UBB, Bell always reported the figures on congestion confidentially. We ordinary people saw some lovely tic tac toe, while the CRTC saw the real figures. It's very difficult for us to tell exactly what Bell has.

Industry committee  I will take a little different twist to this. Many countries have already done in Europe.... If your last mile, where control resides with a very few people, is regulated to be open, then everybody has access to it. If you go back a few years, there was something called Bell Nexxia, which was a wholesale group separate from Bell retail.

Industry committee  In my presentation, I didn't have time to talk about that. Pre-UBB GAS service was based on the phase 2 costs. The phase 2 costs guaranteed not only that Bell Canada is paid for its operating costs, but also that it is paid for infrastructure costs. When demand rises, Bell Canada has the money to invest and increase capacity.

Industry committee  Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am a self-employed Canadian. Unlike the guys with big business, I'm as small as it can get, but I'm affected by all of this, which is why I'm here. The UBB presented by Bell Canada is not about the user-pay model; it's really about controlling adoption of new applications.