Status of Women committee  I don't think you can do that a priori. We establish appropriate social norms of interaction as we go along. It is through the process of social interaction that we determine what's appropriate and what's inappropriate. The important thing, if you think it's inappropriate, is to

Status of Women committee  Sexual harassment, Madam Chair, is not defined in our policy because it is included in the kinds of harassment covered by Canadian Human Rights Act. In that sense, our definition of harassment is actually broader than that in the Canadian Human Rights Act because in the Canadian

Status of Women committee  Tony, could you answer please?

Status of Women committee  That's why it's important to have a third party make the judgment. If you get into a dispute—he said, she said—who's to decide? They each have, from their perspective, valid points of view. You need a third party to make that adjudication.

Status of Women committee  Right. They are anonymous surveys. We have two kinds of survey procedures. We have an internal research capability made up of a broad range of Department of National Defence scientists. They conduct specialized, focused surveys, which can be administered on an as-required basis

Status of Women committee  We don't use the public service employment survey because our members are not public servants, so there's a different set of—

Status of Women committee  That's the department. I speak for the Canadian Forces.

Status of Women committee  Absolutely. We do comparisons. I cited Statistics Canada data earlier in terms of the employment of women. We do comparisons with the national databases. We do comparisons with other government departments. We do comparisons with other militaries. We're part of an organization ca

Status of Women committee  We steal from each other.

Status of Women committee  In the survey 90% of the respondents recalled having been through some form of harassment training. To set the stage for that answer and explain why that might have been the case, during the late nineties—I can't remember when we discontinued the SHARP program—we had a blitz ac

Status of Women committee  We could do that.

Status of Women committee  Madam Chair, if I understand the question correctly, I wouldn't say that we don't have any cases of sexual harassment or sexual assault. Every large organization like ours is going to have to deal with that. I would hope that we would get to zero one day, but I don't think that's

Status of Women committee  The only thing I would add is that if you think the statistics are artificially low, for example—

Status of Women committee  Yes, Madam Chair, I think that one of the principal issues as well is that military members and commanders have a positive duty to deal with any issues that come before them. They cannot let issues slide. Their failure to comply with that directive could be treated under the code

Status of Women committee  It was a result of a complaint coming to his attention. It might have come through a letter or some other form, but his office was open to receive those complaints directly.